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Re: Cam/Lifter Failures [Re: CYACOP] #3266755
10/27/24 09:06 PM
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Originally Posted by CYACOP
Originally Posted by B1MAXX
Are these stock heads? they are 1.85 installed. Those springs are too stiff at that height.

Stock heads yes. I agree with you but that was what they recommended.


Check the pressure of those springs to verify they match the spec for that part number. Just because it says 911 on the box, doesn't guarantee the spring in the box is 911.

As my late machinist used to say, "if it comes out of a box, it's fk'd up".

Kevin

Re: Cam/Lifter Failures [Re: Cab_Burge] #3266780
10/27/24 10:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Cab_Burge
Save yourself some money and future frustration by converting to a roller cam and lifters now up twocents work


I agree! They're not without their own issues but in today's market it's the thing to do. 10 yrs ago I built a 470" solid flat tappet with Comp stuff. Lost the cam in 800 miles(yes...I did all the break in bs with the correct oil, etc. Not my 1st engine build by any means) I bit the bullet and switched to a solid roller( all Comp stuff) and have been cruising for the last 10 years. It's due for springs but it's a switch I'll never regret.......it runs WAY better with the roller(specs were very similar) and I no longer worry about flat tappet cam syndrome. twocents

Re: Cam/Lifter Failures [Re: Dcuda69] #3266800
10/28/24 06:03 AM
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I am just trying to build a decent running street car that will never see the track. If you guys have any recommendations on a reliable hydraulic roller setup let me know.
I am going to go ahead and start cleaning out all the metal shavings and order all of the lower end parts I need to get the bottom end assembly process going and research my options for the valve train.
Thanks for all your help.

Re: Cam/Lifter Failures [Re: CYACOP] #3266811
10/28/24 08:08 AM
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Why not use the purple shaft with the correct springs.and save yourself 1500 bucks.

You lost the cam due to the springs used.

Re: Cam/Lifter Failures [Re: B1MAXX] #3266927
10/28/24 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by B1MAXX
Why not use the purple shaft with the correct springs.and save yourself 1500 bucks.



You lost the cam due to the springs used.

I think so too.

Re: Cam/Lifter Failures [Re: B1MAXX] #3267017
10/29/24 08:35 AM
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Not trying to argue, just stating my experience...I've built 3 BB Mopars in the past few years using hyd. flat tappet cams. All using the Comp 911 springs on stock heads w/ 1.88" installed height. All have been fine.
One was an old MP 509/292 cam.
One was a custom nitrided grind from Dwayne Porter.
One was the Summit 6401 cam.

I don't know what the answer is to a lot of these cam and lifter failures. I've seen them fail when everything was done "right".


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Re: Cam/Lifter Failures [Re: CYACOP] #3267025
10/29/24 09:02 AM
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A street performance hyd. flat tappet should be 100-110 seat 280-290 over the nose.

Re: Cam/Lifter Failures [Re: CYACOP] #3267099
10/29/24 04:31 PM
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My last solid flat cam was a Howards nitrided of the shelf cam with EDM lifters. I switched to a smaller solid roller from Isky and sold the flat cam to another member here It is still in use as far as I know in another big block. I only use Gibbs Driven BR series oil.

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Re: Cam/Lifter Failures [Re: fourgearsavoy] #3267206
10/30/24 10:59 AM
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back in the day these cars were new, we swapped cams and lifters all the time, never paying too much attention to what lifter went where, or even if the lifters used belonged to the cam being swapped.
never seemed to have any problems with wiped lobes, but maybe the material of the components were better, or we were just "luckier than a cat scratchin' turds"........[as my old man used to say] who knows ? shruggy
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Re: Cam/Lifter Failures [Re: moparx] #3267215
10/30/24 11:42 AM
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It's a combination of today's materials being used and today's spec low zinc oils that causes the issues with f.t. cams and lifters. The last several f.t. cams engines that I have built I always break in with the outer springs only. After break in, I add the inner/damper springs. Never any issues thus far. One engine has 54,000 miles on it and another six pack engine in my car has over 65,000 on it. Paying for the extra nitride process on the cam helps also.


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Re: Cam/Lifter Failures [Re: 6PKRTSE] #3267223
10/30/24 12:10 PM
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GM engineers thoughts on the zinc in the oil thing.

https://www.nonlintec.com/sprite/oil_myths.pdf

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