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Did a TA with the 8-3/4 rear come with the Cone type sure grip.


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The Challenger T/A, and AAR 'Cuda, used the 2881489 (aka "489") differential carrier assembly in its 8-3/4 rear axle with the "cone" type Borg Warner Spin Resistant (# 2881343) Sure Grip.


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What was it SPD (schedule production date) and which factory was it made at?


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The TA and AAR were well into the run of 1970 so the only suregrip available would have been the cone type and the 489 carrier with the std 3.55 or the options 3.91 ratio. You could still get the 741 small pinion and they were also available with a sure grip. I have personally never taken one of those out of a car to see what suregrip it had.

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Originally Posted by Cab_Burge
What was it SPD (schedule production date) and which factory was it made at?


SPD 414 Hamtramck
It is original to this TA
All the markings and paint daubs where there
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Originally Posted by Vaanth
The Challenger T/A, and AAR 'Cuda, used the 2881489 (aka "489") differential carrier assembly in its 8-3/4 rear axle with the "cone" type Borg Warner Spin Resistant (# 2881343) Sure Grip.


The Factory Parts Book does not have any info on the Cone type sure grip, nothing.
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Originally Posted by fastmark
The TA and AAR were well into the run of 1970 so the only suregrip available would have been the cone type and the 489 carrier with the std 3.55 or the options 3.91 ratio. You could still get the 741 small pinion and they were also available with a sure grip. I have personally never taken one of those out of a car to see what suregrip it had.


I was a little surprised to see this sure grip. I always had the clutch sure grip in my Dana 60
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I wonder if it was a cost cutting measure or something. From what I understand the cone type isn't really rebuildable per se but you can get a shim pack for the cones, Dr Diff has them.
https://www.doctordiff.com/8-3-4-cone-sure-grip-shim-pack.html

I ditched the one in the 489 case in my R/T. The car had a hard life and a lot of miles on it so it was going to get a new unit anyway. I replaced it with the helical gear type, overkill probably but I think they're supposed to be the best.
https://www.doctordiff.com/8-3-4-helical-gear-sure-grip-sure-trac.html

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Originally Posted by EV2RTSE
I wonder if it was a cost cutting measure or something. From what I understand the cone type isn't really rebuildable per se but you can get a shim pack for the cones, Dr Diff has them.
https://www.doctordiff.com/8-3-4-cone-sure-grip-shim-pack.html

I ditched the one in the 489 case in my R/T. The car had a hard life and a lot of miles on it so it was going to get a new unit anyway. I replaced it with the helical gear type, overkill probably but I think they're supposed to be the best.
https://www.doctordiff.com/8-3-4-helical-gear-sure-grip-sure-trac.html


Thanks, I did see that.
Mine looks pretty good just not sure about the way the large gears are against the cone.


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Before any modifications are done, I’d follow the service manual instructions for testing of the unit you have.

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Originally Posted by fastmark
Before any modifications are done, I’d follow the service manual instructions for testing of the unit you have.


Spoke with Doctor Diff and he has a shim kit if needed. Back in the day it was serviced as a unit. Today some machining may be done.

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Originally Posted by VCODE
Originally Posted by fastmark
The TA and AAR were well into the run of 1970 so the only suregrip available would have been the cone type and the 489 carrier with the std 3.55 or the options 3.91 ratio. You could still get the 741 small pinion and they were also available with a sure grip. I have personally never taken one of those out of a car to see what suregrip it had.


I was a little surprised to see this sure grip. I always had the clutch sure grip in my Dana 60
Where to find parts
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The Dana 60 is a completely different animal, but if your dana 60 was a 1970 or newer then it had a track lock, instead of the Spicer clutch type, which is not as robust as the Spicer clutch type.


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Originally Posted by VCODE
Originally Posted by fastmark
Before any modifications are done, I’d follow the service manual instructions for testing of the unit you have.


Spoke with Doctor Diff and he has a shim kit if needed. Back in the day it was serviced as a unit. Today some machining may be done.

Thanks


Don't waste your time, or money. To machine the cone type it's going to require complete disassembly and you'll want to change your bearings , ... unless the car only has a few thousand original miles .... the cone type grinds the cones up every time you take a turn, which generates tiny metal particles that float around in the oil and gets run thru the bearings and the gear teeth, high mileage units will have tiny marks in the surface of the bearings and gears from all that metal, they take on a grayish haze from it. It's going to cost almost as much as just buying a clutch type from Dr. Diff and rebuilding the chuck.

The BW cone type is a piece of garbage by design.


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Originally Posted by JohnRR
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Originally Posted by fastmark
Before any modifications are done, I’d follow the service manual instructions for testing of the unit you have.


Spoke with Doctor Diff and he has a shim kit if needed. Back in the day it was serviced as a unit. Today some machining may be done.

Thanks


Don't waste your time, or money. To machine the cone type it's going to require complete disassembly and you'll want to change your bearings , ... unless the car only has a few thousand original miles .... the cone type grinds the cones up every time you take a turn, which generates tiny metal particles that float around in the oil and gets run thru the bearings and the gear teeth, high mileage units will have tiny marks in the surface of the bearings and gears from all that metal, they take on a grayish haze from it. It's going to cost almost as much as just buying a clutch type from Dr. Diff and rebuilding the chuck.

The BW cone type is a piece of garbage by design.


Some good info John
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Originally Posted by JohnRR
Originally Posted by VCODE
Originally Posted by fastmark
Before any modifications are done, I’d follow the service manual instructions for testing of the unit you have.


Spoke with Doctor Diff and he has a shim kit if needed. Back in the day it was serviced as a unit. Today some machining may be done.

Thanks


Don't waste your time, or money. To machine the cone type it's going to require complete disassembly and you'll want to change your bearings , ... unless the car only has a few thousand original miles .... the cone type grinds the cones up every time you take a turn, which generates tiny metal particles that float around in the oil and gets run thru the bearings and the gear teeth, high mileage units will have tiny marks in the surface of the bearings and gears from all that metal, they take on a grayish haze from it. It's going to cost almost as much as just buying a clutch type from Dr. Diff and rebuilding the chuck.

The BW cone type is a piece of garbage by design.


True, but either way you are looking at bearing replacement anyway, so the cost of the diff unit is extra no matter what route you take.

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Originally Posted by Pacnorthcuda

True, but either way you are looking at bearing replacement anyway, so the cost of the diff unit is extra no matter what route you take.


the cost of a new sure grip will be offset by the work to make the cone type work again , but only for a limited time and it will be destroying the new bearings ... it's garbage by design , save yourself the misery.

My 69 Dart GTS 383 car has 57k original miles on it's 3.91 BW cone type , the cone type is coming out and will never go back in ... I buy 741 chucks with 2.76 clutch types to rob the sure grips and toss the rest in the metal scrap pile .


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