Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Page 1 of 2 1 2
Using flexible fuel line from tank to engine. #3235134
05/26/24 08:59 PM
05/26/24 08:59 PM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 21,802
San Jose,CA
migsBIG Offline OP
YouTube is my go-to news source
migsBIG  Offline OP
YouTube is my go-to news source

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 21,802
San Jose,CA
So I’m back to working on picking up some Parts to work on the Duster project and I desided to get some upgrades for the fuel system. Since the tiny fuel line on a 1973 model 318 is limiting for performance upgrades and 50 years old (sitting unused for 30 years from a rusty tank), best to replace it and eliminate any possible issues down the road. I’m thinking of something like the black flexible fuel line that Holley has, or something equivalent. I did metal lines on my 1970 CUDA and that was a pita. Any suggestion and info would be appreciated.

Re: Using flexible fuel line from tank to engine. [Re: migsBIG] #3235143
05/26/24 09:28 PM
05/26/24 09:28 PM
Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 496
Michigan
B
BigFish69 Offline
mopar
BigFish69  Offline
mopar
B

Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 496
Michigan
Use some braided fuel hose you can use #6 or #8an easy to work with.

Re: Using flexible fuel line from tank to engine. [Re: BigFish69] #3235189
05/27/24 08:26 AM
05/27/24 08:26 AM
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 9,096
Ontario, Canada
S
Stanton Offline
Don't question me!
Stanton  Offline
Don't question me!
S

Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 9,096
Ontario, Canada
6AN kits from Evil Energy on Amazon

Re: Using flexible fuel line from tank to engine. [Re: Stanton] #3235191
05/27/24 08:42 AM
05/27/24 08:42 AM
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 12,585
Fulton County, PA
C
CMcAllister Offline
Mr. Helpful
CMcAllister  Offline
Mr. Helpful
C

Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 12,585
Fulton County, PA
Originally Posted by Stanton
6AN kits from Evil Energy on Amazon


Good luck.


If the results don't match the theory, change the theory.
Re: Using flexible fuel line from tank to engine. [Re: migsBIG] #3235192
05/27/24 08:45 AM
05/27/24 08:45 AM
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 12,585
Fulton County, PA
C
CMcAllister Offline
Mr. Helpful
CMcAllister  Offline
Mr. Helpful
C

Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 12,585
Fulton County, PA
Originally Posted by migsBIG
So I’m back to working on picking up some Parts to work on the Duster project and I desided to get some upgrades for the fuel system. Since the tiny fuel line on a 1973 model 318 is limiting for performance upgrades and 50 years old (sitting unused for 30 years from a rusty tank), best to replace it and eliminate any possible issues down the road. I’m thinking of something like the black flexible fuel line that Holley has, or something equivalent. I did metal lines on my 1970 CUDA and that was a pita. Any suggestion and info would be appreciated.


Depends. Still using stock tank? Stock pump? I wouldn't use AN hose with worm drive clamps. It's not made for that and won't clamp tight enough to be safe.


If the results don't match the theory, change the theory.
Re: Using flexible fuel line from tank to engine. [Re: migsBIG] #3235197
05/27/24 09:42 AM
05/27/24 09:42 AM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 26,418
United Socialist States of Ame...
T
tboomer Offline
Too Many Posts
tboomer  Offline
Too Many Posts
T

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 26,418
United Socialist States of Ame...
Migs...Maybe not what you are looking for but I Bought some brake lines from Inline tube...www.inlinetube.com . I am also ordering the fuel pump to carb lines from them for my 69 Dart GTS... wave


Need your rear end checked out? Contact Grizzly!!
Re: Using flexible fuel line from tank to engine. [Re: tboomer] #3235205
05/27/24 10:27 AM
05/27/24 10:27 AM
Joined: Jun 2016
Posts: 920
Washington
H
hemienvy Offline
super stock
hemienvy  Offline
super stock
H

Joined: Jun 2016
Posts: 920
Washington
I thought about using nickel/copper line, (NiCopp?) but I haven't done it yet.

Seems like a good application, unless someone can show me why it isn't.

Re: Using flexible fuel line from tank to engine. [Re: hemienvy] #3235233
05/27/24 12:52 PM
05/27/24 12:52 PM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 21,752
A collage of whims
topside Online content
Too Many Posts
topside  Online Content
Too Many Posts

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 21,752
A collage of whims
I run metal tube for long distances like rear tank to ft pump.
Lighter than braided stainless hose, and doesn't abrade everything it might rub against.
Done a few fuel systems using 3/8" or 1/2" aluminum hardline, often protected by fire sleeve, that are still fine 20+ years later.
I use short lengths of hose to connect pumps and carbs & isolate vibrations.

Re: Using flexible fuel line from tank to engine. [Re: topside] #3235246
05/27/24 01:56 PM
05/27/24 01:56 PM
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 43,882
Bend,OR USA
C
Cab_Burge Offline
I Win
Cab_Burge  Offline
I Win
C

Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 43,882
Bend,OR USA
Originally Posted by topside
I run metal tube for long distances like rear tank to ft pump.
Lighter than braided stainless hose, and doesn't abrade everything it might rub against.
Done a few fuel systems using 3/8" or 1/2" aluminum hardline, often protected by fire sleeve, that are still fine 20+ years later.
I use short lengths of hose to connect pumps and carbs & isolate vibrations.
iagree up Me Too up scope
I used 1/2 I.D. soft drawn aluminum line from a local hardware store on my 1969 dart GTS street car, works good, last a long time wrench up scope twocents


Mr.Cab Racing and winning with Mopars since 1964. (Old F--t, Huh)
Re: Using flexible fuel line from tank to engine. [Re: CMcAllister] #3235274
05/27/24 05:40 PM
05/27/24 05:40 PM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 21,802
San Jose,CA
migsBIG Offline OP
YouTube is my go-to news source
migsBIG  Offline OP
YouTube is my go-to news source

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 21,802
San Jose,CA

Depends. Still using stock tank? Stock pump? I wouldn't use AN hose with worm drive clamps. It's not made for that and won't clamp tight enough to be safe.

No, looking at updating to a larger tank and performance pump. still not sure on mechanical or electric pump as of yet. Plan to do it right, so I would use AN fittings.

I figure with flexible line i can keep fuel cool, easy install, minimal worry of it rubbing or rattling, easier routing without needed fabrication.

Re: Using flexible fuel line from tank to engine. [Re: migsBIG] #3235296
05/27/24 09:11 PM
05/27/24 09:11 PM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 21,448
Eagle, Idaho
Neil Offline
The Doctor is in.
Neil  Offline
The Doctor is in.

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 21,448
Eagle, Idaho
I know a guy here with an A-body car that still has the factory 5/16 fuel lines in place for the 273 that it came with, and it runs very low 12's at over 110 mph with a modestly built 408. Big fuel lines are not totally necessary until you start making serious power.

3/8" fuel line and a good fuel pump will supply enough fuel volume for most street strip cars generally speaking.

Re: Using flexible fuel line from tank to engine. [Re: Neil] #3235325
05/28/24 05:06 AM
05/28/24 05:06 AM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 21,802
San Jose,CA
migsBIG Offline OP
YouTube is my go-to news source
migsBIG  Offline OP
YouTube is my go-to news source

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 21,802
San Jose,CA
True Neil, but this rusty tank and old lines don't look like it's worth the hassle to clean up and metal lines probably full of rust. With upgraded lines, if I want to upgrade to a bigger engine like a stroked big block, the lines will already be in place for the swap.

Re: Using flexible fuel line from tank to engine. [Re: migsBIG] #3235328
05/28/24 06:08 AM
05/28/24 06:08 AM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 8,101
Tulsa OK
Bad340fish Offline
master
Bad340fish  Offline
master

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 8,101
Tulsa OK
I have -8 fragola cloth braded line front to rear for feed and return. I wish I did hardline but this was much easier and has been fine for 8-9 years now. I should probably replace them at 10 years as a precaution and then I will do hardline or PTFE.


68 Barracuda Formula S 340
Re: Using flexible fuel line from tank to engine. [Re: migsBIG] #3235335
05/28/24 07:42 AM
05/28/24 07:42 AM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 3,007
A shed in England
Tig Offline
master
Tig  Offline
master

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 3,007
A shed in England
My car originally had a 318 in it. We went OTT with the fuel line after installing a 655ci motor and having a weird 3rd gear lean out issue at the track. Originally we used a -10 line from the Magnafuel 500 pump (which has a built in -8 return) and -6 to the carbs from the regulator. We upgraded to -12 swapped the regulator and ran -8 to the carbs. It actually did help but didn't fix the problem which turned out to be two other fuel probs anyway.
We ran bulkhead connectors where needed rather than running the braided stuff through holes, it makes for a better installation and track tech likes it better.
I don't think you will need -12 line but I was surprised by how much going from -10 to -12 helped the hi speed lean out on the data logger as prior I was leaning towards "it will make no difference" and I'm sure a lot of folk will say the same. Though I'm pretty sure the fuel system will take anything I can throw at it N/A now grin


'74 Challenger..9.46 @ 145.9 1/4, 6.001 @ 118 1/8 so far. 4023lb !!! # N/A, Marsh performance 655ci, Indy Maxx, T/R, Indy 600-13 X's, Street legal, pump gas, full interior, Cal-Tracs, mufflers, 3:73's and real 10.5 radials.
9.51 @ 142.4 1/4, 6.003 @ 114 1/8 with our old mule KB, 572-13, 580 wedge.
RHD '68 Barracuda Fastback 323ci street/strip. Best ET 13.88 @ 99.03
Re: Using flexible fuel line from tank to engine. [Re: Tig] #3235379
05/28/24 01:15 PM
05/28/24 01:15 PM
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 43,882
Bend,OR USA
C
Cab_Burge Offline
I Win
Cab_Burge  Offline
I Win
C

Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 43,882
Bend,OR USA
Fuel supply in a drag car can be challenging to get it so it has to much, more than you need work
But it is absolutely mandatory if you want to be able to race and tune it without worrying about hurting the motor twocents
My definition of too much fuel supply is if you can fatten the mixture up enough the slow the MPH down in the 1/4 mile up wrench scope up


Mr.Cab Racing and winning with Mopars since 1964. (Old F--t, Huh)
Re: Using flexible fuel line from tank to engine. [Re: Cab_Burge] #3235454
05/29/24 07:37 AM
05/29/24 07:37 AM
Joined: Nov 2013
Posts: 743
Southern Alberta
Uberpube Offline
super stock
Uberpube  Offline
super stock

Joined: Nov 2013
Posts: 743
Southern Alberta
I use instrumentation 0,035 wall stainless for fuel lines, it's cheap, rated for a 2600 psi and 316l doesn't rust from anything . I just did my transmission cooler lines on my Ramcharger out of it too, 1/2" tube was 44 bucks for a full 20 foot stick of it. It's cheap enough to make a test practice bend and then do a good one out of a 20' stick. A couple of stainless compression to AN adapters at each end to finish it.

Re: Using flexible fuel line from tank to engine. [Re: Uberpube] #3235488
05/29/24 10:28 AM
05/29/24 10:28 AM
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 1,897
Spahn Ranch
RMCHRGR Offline
top fuel
RMCHRGR  Offline
top fuel

Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 1,897
Spahn Ranch
Originally Posted by Uberpube
I use instrumentation 0,035 wall stainless for fuel lines, it's cheap, rated for a 2600 psi and 316l doesn't rust from anything . I just did my transmission cooler lines on my Ramcharger out of it too, 1/2" tube was 44 bucks for a full 20 foot stick of it. It's cheap enough to make a test practice bend and then do a good one out of a 20' stick. A couple of stainless compression to AN adapters at each end to finish it.


I wouldn't use compression fittings, even at carbureted fuel pressures. That's just me though, I'm sure people do it with success. Also, stainless is really hard to bend and flare especially anything that's over 5/16".

I'd be wary of running flexible hose front to back on a street car. Dedicated race car sure, but on the street I'd feel more comfortable with some amount of hard line. Not sure there's actually any real justification for that though since as mentioned above it's been done without issue.

My Duster is a combination of -6 'push lock' type hose and 3/8" aluminum hard line. PITA and somewhat costly to install with all the fittings etc. but that's the way I've done all my cars. Same idea as the factory setup with flexible hose between the tank and rear chassis to hard line up the frame connector then flex line to the carb or throttle body.

I do use gravel guard along the bottom where the softer aluminum line is exposed to road debris but it adds weight and a little bit of cost. I used Kevlar(?) spiral guard around a short length of flex hose where it goes through the right front wheel well. it's the same type of stuff used to protect hydraulic lines on machinery.


'71 Duster
'72 Challenger
'17 Ram 1500
Re: Using flexible fuel line from tank to engine. [Re: RMCHRGR] #3235558
05/29/24 08:27 PM
05/29/24 08:27 PM
Joined: Nov 2013
Posts: 743
Southern Alberta
Uberpube Offline
super stock
Uberpube  Offline
super stock

Joined: Nov 2013
Posts: 743
Southern Alberta
Originally Posted by RMCHRGR
[quote=Uberpube] I use instrumentation 0,035 wall stainless for fuel lines, it's cheap, rated for a 2600 psi and 316l doesn't rust from anything . I just did my transmission cooler lines on my Ramcharger out of it too, 1/2" tube was 44 bucks for a full 20 foot stick of it. It's cheap enough to make a test practice bend and then do a good one out of a 20' stick. A couple of stainless compression to AN adapters at each end to finish it.
I wouldn't use compression fittings, even at carbureted fuel pressures. That's just me though, I'm sure people do it with success. Also, stainless is really hard to bend and flare especially anything that's over 5/16".




The stainless swagelok style fittings are rated for more than the tubing so over 2600psi, I've been using them for 30+years on high pressure ammonia lines on compressors and have yet to see one let go, or even leak for that matter. It's not some plumbing store compression fitting or brass ferrule type, these are industrial fittings. The best part is they are actually cheaper than the automotive compression tube adapters. the other way to finish is how I did the 3/8 fuel line in it. I just cut the threads off an AN stainless end, and silver brazed the ends on directly on to the tube to make it a little cleaner looking.
The .035 wall is easy to bend, even my 13 year old kid can bend 5/8 with hand benders. I do 7/8" by hand quite often for Oxygen service.




swagelock.jpg442495878_10169117001055475_4578045101544436650_n.jpg
Last edited by Uberpube; 05/29/24 08:27 PM.
Re: Using flexible fuel line from tank to engine. [Re: Uberpube] #3235596
05/30/24 06:45 AM
05/30/24 06:45 AM
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 2,106
Apollo, PA.
B1MAXX Offline
top fuel
B1MAXX  Offline
top fuel

Joined: May 2005
Posts: 2,106
Apollo, PA.
It can be tin soldered also I have tin soldered many a brass fitting into steel oil/trans pans.

Re: Using flexible fuel line from tank to engine. [Re: Uberpube] #3235669
05/30/24 02:15 PM
05/30/24 02:15 PM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 4,364
Morrow, OH
markz528 Offline
master
markz528  Offline
master

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 4,364
Morrow, OH
Originally Posted by Uberpube



The stainless swagelok style fittings are rated for more than the tubing so over 2600psi, I've been using them for 30+years on high pressure ammonia lines on compressors and have yet to see one let go, or even leak for that matter. It's not some plumbing store compression fitting or brass ferrule type, these are industrial fittings. The best part is they are actually cheaper than the automotive compression tube adapters. the other way to finish is how I did the 3/8 fuel line in it. I just cut the threads off an AN stainless end, and silver brazed the ends on directly on to the tube to make it a little cleaner looking.
The .035 wall is easy to bend, even my 13 year old kid can bend 5/8 with hand benders. I do 7/8" by hand quite often for Oxygen service.



I agree.


67 Coronet 500 9.610 @ 139.20 mph
67 Coronet 500 (street car) 14.82 @ 94 mph
69 GTX (clone) - build in progress......
Page 1 of 2 1 2






Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.1