Re: 1933 plymouth coupe
[Re: Old Ray]
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02/04/24 08:38 PM
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Yep, if you really want to know what it is worth, you need lots of pictures. The price range will be related to the details. Could have been really nice back then, or it could have been a bit crude, but at least it sounds like it is still presentable. I would probably go to a website like the www.jalopyjournal.com (the HAMB). The car sounds like it fits into what they are all about (pre 64 Hot Rod builds). Originally built in 57, OEM frame, updated to a 389 (the old Hemi would have been better, even there), the paint and interior also fits in there. The more of the original 57 build pieces that still exist, if still functionable, would add to the value there. They will look intently at what is era correct, down to the tires and wheels. They love "new finds" of old builds. How much does the guy want to get out of it? Most old guys have a number that would make them happy to get, though sometimes those prices are not connected with reality. The next thing is how long he is willing to wait to get his price. That car could be worth $5,000, to $20,000 or more. Would be worth the effort to take some pictures.
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Re: 1933 plymouth coupe
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02/05/24 10:01 AM
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pictures would go a long way to determine build quality, but they could be deceiving as well. back in 1957, there were certainly quality built vehicles, but there were certainly some very crude examples put together. [by today's standards] studying articles in the "little magazines" often times showed state of the art builders back then cut corners that we wouldn't consider under any circumstances these days. ![beer beer](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/custom/beer.gif)
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Re: 1933 plymouth coupe
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02/06/24 01:14 PM
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I'm interested in hearing and seeing more. You interested in hot rods? Oh, by the way, Happy NewYear
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Re: 1933 plymouth coupe
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02/07/24 01:19 PM
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Any mopar street rod I build is going to be 2nd Gen Hemi powered. No Chevy allowed....
1963 Belvedere 440 Max Wedge Tribute 1970 Charger R/T S.E. 440 Six Pack 1970 Challenger R/T, 528 Hemi 1970 Charger 500 S.E. 440 4 BBL 1970 Plymouth Road Runner 383 1974 Chrysler New Yorker 440 1996 2500 RAM 488 V-10 4X4 2004 3500 Dually Cummins 4x4 2012 Challenger R/T Classic.
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Re: 1933 plymouth coupe
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02/08/24 10:49 AM
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in 1934 mopar went to a goofy independent front suspension, then went back to parallel leaf springs and a tube axle until the 1939 models. my 38 plymouth coupe had the tube axle, so to lower it, i swapped the axle pads and put the axle above the springs. i used an iron corvair box [reversed] for steering, and it worked really good ! that car came with the usual smallblock chubby, so i ditched that for an E58 360 cop engine/727, 8 3/4 rear from a 1970 chrysler [bolted right in] used 3.91 gears, and that car was a pretty good runner ! ![beer beer](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/custom/beer.gif)
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Re: 1933 plymouth coupe
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02/08/24 04:21 PM
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Do those early Plymouths have front leaf springs? Do folks typically convert them to a transverse leaf or keep the parallel leaves? The front suspension swap from the 33 parallel leaf to either the transverse leaf spring front suspension or to any form of independent suspension is a pretty major undertaking. As far as any ride improvement or handling improvement, a modern steering box and a sway bar would accomplish the same improvements, the Mopar parallel leaf spring suspension was a pretty high quality set up if it is still intact. Most of the time, the transverse leaf was only installed because the Ford guys loved them, or the car was going fender less and they didn't like the appearance of the parallel leafs. The independent suspension was mostly a 90s thing when any form of a solid front axle was considered "old fashioned" or obsolete. What most changed to was not an improvement, but was often considered to be a "must have" at the time. At a wild guess, I would say probably 1/2 of the old Mopars were converted from the parallel leaf to something else, and probably almost 1/2 of those were because the original Mopar stuff was either no longer intact, was in poor condition, or had a problem with the original steering (or lack of power steering). My 35 Dodge frame came to me with the front axle and springs gone (early 1990s), but the rear of the frame also had a rust issue. I scratch built a frame using the cross torsion bar suspension (it was too wide, I altered the front sheet metal so the tires were under the sheet metal because I lived on a gravel road). We put 77,000 miles on that car in 7 summers, so it worked out OK.
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Re: 1933 plymouth coupe
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02/08/24 11:44 PM
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Do those early Plymouths have front leaf springs? Do folks typically convert them to a transverse leaf or keep the parallel leaves? The front suspension swap from the 33 parallel leaf to either the transverse leaf spring front suspension or to any form of independent suspension is a pretty major undertaking. As far as any ride improvement or handling improvement, a modern steering box and a sway bar would accomplish the same improvements, the Mopar parallel leaf spring suspension was a pretty high quality set up if it is still intact. Most of the time, the transverse leaf was only installed because the Ford guys loved them, or the car was going fender less and they didn't like the appearance of the parallel leafs. The independent suspension was mostly a 90s thing when any form of a solid front axle was considered "old fashioned" or obsolete. What most changed to was not an improvement, but was often considered to be a "must have" at the time. At a wild guess, I would say probably 1/2 of the old Mopars were converted from the parallel leaf to something else, and probably almost 1/2 of those were because the original Mopar stuff was either no longer intact, was in poor condition, or had a problem with the original steering (or lack of power steering). My 35 Dodge frame came to me with the front axle and springs gone (early 1990s), but the rear of the frame also had a rust issue. I scratch built a frame using the cross torsion bar suspension (it was too wide, I altered the front sheet metal so the tires were under the sheet metal because I lived on a gravel road). We put 77,000 miles on that car in 7 summers, so it worked out OK. Thanks! That's great information. I've been looking for a 30-31 model A coupe or early-mid 30's dodge/plymouth/Chrysler coupe to build once my '66 Dart is done. I'll be going fenderless, so I'm trying to figure out what front suspension to go with. I'm definitely one who believes the parallel leafs aren't the best looking on an open wheel hotrod.
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Re: 1933 plymouth coupe
[Re: Jamey]
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03/03/24 01:06 AM
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This is a 1929 dodge I bought in a similar situation. All steel, lacquer paint that isn’t perfect but presentable. 340, 727, ford 9”. Independent front end with disc brakes. Paid $15,000 for it. Nice hotrod! How long ago did you buy it? Do you have any more photos. Pictures of the front suspension would be great.
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