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Re: Tires on heavy EV’s wear out faster [Re: 360view] #3209762
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Well this should make the tire manufacturers very happy.

But what about the extra microplastics emitted by EV tires?

https://www.earth.com/news/hidden-costs-electric-vehicle-tires-emit-20-more-pollution/

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Originally Posted by Tom_440
Well this should make the tire manufacturers very happy.

But what about the extra microplastics emitted by EV tires?

https://www.earth.com/news/hidden-costs-electric-vehicle-tires-emit-20-more-pollution/



What about the damage to secondary roads that normally don't have heavy weight traffic on a daily basis?

Just means more expense to small communities for road maintenance, surely the manufactures will contribute for that. Oh wait they will just raise the GASOLINE tax to make up for the increased road damage repairs so the ICE's can pay for it and the EV's get a free ride. rant

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Originally Posted by A12
What about the damage to secondary roads that normally don't have heavy weight traffic on a daily basis?

Just means more expense to small communities for road maintenance, surely the manufactures will contribute for that. Oh wait they will just raise the GASOLINE tax to make up for the increased road damage repairs so the ICE's can pay for it and the EV's get a free ride. rant


They're also too heavy for current guardrail systems:

Report on new study.

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Originally Posted by nuthinbutmopar
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What about the damage to secondary roads that normally don't have heavy weight traffic on a daily basis?

Just means more expense to small communities for road maintenance, surely the manufactures will contribute for that. Oh wait they will just raise the GASOLINE tax to make up for the increased road damage repairs so the ICE's can pay for it and the EV's get a free ride. rant


They're also too heavy for current guardrail systems:

Report on new study.




That news story is a bunch of overly dramatic crap.

Ooohhhhh.... 7000 lb Rivian busts through a metal guard rail when perpendicular and traveling at 60 mph.

Gee, REALLY?

A Ford Focus will bust through one at the same speed.

Here's an idea! Let's repeat the test with a 9000 lb 4 door 4x4 SuperDuty! I bet it takes out both rows of K rail catch barrier.

The Tesla trick? It went under the rail? At a 45 degree angle?

How about we try that with a low nose sedan. Mercedes GT63 comes to mind. It would tuck a bumper under that rail and lift it up, too. Those toothpicks won't stop a car when you're smashing them one at a time.

I'm no EV poster boy but even I can smell the BS from here.


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My takeaway was how well the truck survived the impact and the likelihood of limited injuries to any occupants.

It also looks like the testing crew underestimated the safe distance needed for their video cameras. grin


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On a separate note, I had tires delivered to Tires Plus directly from Tire Rack, for install.
During checkout, there was a special disclaimer, "We don't mount EV tires"

Are the tires, or balancing "special" on an EV?

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EV's are heavy as heck too, their weight it all at the bottom too, so the tires are special. Have you priced EV tires? Just another reason to never own one... tsk


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Originally Posted by Rhinodart
EV's are heavy as heck too, their weight it all at the bottom too, so the tires are special. Have you priced EV tires? Just another reason to never own one... tsk


Took a look at Tire Rack, 2022 Telsa S, ranged from $1300 to $2200 for a set of 4, ouch!

I paid $550 for 4 tires on my 06 Mustang.

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I have several customers with a Tesla we have mounted tires for. They are averaging 15-20k miles on the ones I see. One customer is running cheaper overseas tires on his with no ill effects. Same load rating as the OE tires.

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Goodyear did a study that came out about two years ago. Concluded 50% greater wear for evs. Some eco dorks told me Michelin was saying 15-20% greater so it was bogus. Except a quick google search revealed it was a Michelin exec taking out of his rear end before any real testing took place.

That’s my second favorite ev cult member psychobabble fallacy. Favorite is how they like to bring up how your house probably already has a dryer plug, so having a charger is no big deal. Just demonstrates their lack of understanding what is going on with electric and their devotion to making one guy super rich. “But, but, dryer plug. Dryer plug.”


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So tire wear is mostly controlled by driving habits, accelerating, cornering and stopping, steady speed tire wear is not greatly affected by vehicle weight.
So are EV drivers speed racers incognitio?


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they like to bring up how your house probably already has a dryer plug, so having a charger is no big deal.
Oh yea let me open the window in my laundry room and you toss that big a$$ cable in. Oh wait, my laundry room doesn't have a window. Lucky me. My breaker box is in the garage. It should be easy to wire in a charging station. Good thing it's not on the opposite end of the house. That cable is expensive. Oh Oh, my house is already all electric and there are no open slots in the breaker box. I bet I would need a bigger service and breaker box to add that much load. Whew, good thing I have NO intention of EVER buying an EV.


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Originally Posted by jcc
So tire wear is mostly controlled by driving habits, accelerating, cornering and stopping, steady speed tire wear is not greatly affected by vehicle weight.
So are EV drivers speed racers incognitio?


no offense but wrong.
The number one factor is the load, the weight. As you put more weight on a tire, it's going to wear out faster. And as I mentioned before, some of these EVs are almost 30% heavier than their counterparts.Jul 28, 2023
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Studies are also finding this accelerated wear is worse for the environment than tailpipe emissions LINKY

HMM I can see tire debris filters / collectors in our future. Then they'll need servicing. I hear Fram's already working on a solution LOL

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Originally Posted by TJP
Originally Posted by jcc
So tire wear is mostly controlled by driving habits, accelerating, cornering and stopping, steady speed tire wear is not greatly affected by vehicle weight.


no offense but wrong.
The number one factor is the load, the weight. As you put more weight on a tire, it's going to wear out faster.


Ok, I offended, now can you back up your claim that my comment in red above is "wrong"? I omitted the word "level" above since climbing up or down a mountain for instance at a steady speed would elevate tire wear if load was increased, as a Florida resident forgive me, that is the exception here.
You also know a tire sitting there with or without a load will suffer the same wear, none, until it is driven, right?

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Actually it's the size of the tire(s) contact patch and how much weight is concentrated per square inch time the tire air pressure (or whatever square measurement you want to use inch, metric, etc.,).

You can actually weigh a car by determining each tire's contact patch in square inches then multiply that contact patch by that tire's current air pressure. If the contact patch is 20 square inches and the tire pressure is 40 PSI (Pounds Per Square Inch) then that tire is supporting 800lbs. If it's the same at each of the four wheels (tires) then the vehicle weighs 3200lbs. Simple math. That's how they weigh giant mining trucks.

Do EV's run higher tire pressure and/or are the contact patches larger in square inches than non EV's or lighter vehicles?

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they like to bring up how your house probably already has a dryer plug, so having a charger is no big deal.
Oh yea let me open the window in my laundry room and you toss that big a$$ cable in. Oh wait, my laundry room doesn't have a window. Lucky me. My breaker box is in the garage. It should be easy to wire in a charging station. Good thing it's not on the opposite end of the house. That cable is expensive. Oh Oh, my house is already all electric and there are no open slots in the breaker box. I bet I would need a bigger service and breaker box to add that much load. Whew, good thing I have NO intention of EVER buying an EV.


That’s the type of stuff I end up explaining to people all the time. Most have zero, or less than zero, understanding of electricity. I finished out the basement and ran a wire from one end of the house to the other for a car charger. We will have a gun to our head soon enough and I didnt want to tear out everything or run it along the outside.

That piece of wire cost 476 dollars, three years ago. After 8% inflation, then 4, now 3, I’m sure that same wire is 1200 bucks.

Luckily I had plenty of room in the breaker box. Most people don’t have that kind of space and a 500 wire will be least of their worries. But hey, I hear if you have a dryer it’s all good.


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As I was growing up there were huge numbers of overloaded coal trucks and these trucks were tearing up the blacktop that had been laid down at considerable $ over the mountain gravel roads.

My grandfather and father were definitely in the “good roads” camp and further understood that overloaded coal trucks also wore out their tires “way before their expected tread wear life”.

It is “penny wise and pound foolish” to increase your $/ton by getting horrible tire life and then also pay more $/hour to drivers who have to slow down on torn up roads.

A similar thing can happen on a railroad if you overload railcars but in that case you destroy the rock roadbed below the steel rails and cross ties. This happened when they foolishly went from 70 ton to 100 ton railcars. Even worse the 100 ton railcars were too tall and unstable. One turned over and killed a friend of mine.

Caterpillar used to run free “Equipment Schools” where one section was how to calculate maximum load on those HUGE haulback truck rubber tires.

CAT believed that most operators were getting less than 50% tire life. Here load and speed both contribute to internal rubber temperature, which has a sharp upper limit. Drive just 2 MPH faster and the tire self destructs.

Robot driven huge haul trucks have a “hidden advantage” that you can command a robot to never exceed a speed that human driver “Joe B. Yahoo” ignores.

My father also was a big believer that every house should have been wired for 3 Phase electrical power, and that 400 HZ 3 phase has many advantages, as the US Air Force found.




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All an interesting antidotal read, but I am unconvinced there is even a correlation between EV tire wear claims and the stories shared above regarding tire temps, overloaded coal trucks off road, 2 mph speed increases, and grandfather stories from a time tire tread technology still had brand names as their tread patterns. grin


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I've been driving an EV for 7 years now. Never noticed any issues with tire wear. The brakes last a lot longer on an EV since they use regenerative braking. I've never had to replace brakes on my EV cars even though I've driven them for years now.

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