Today was the last day of Challenger/Charger build, RIP muscle! I think in the next couple of years from now when people finally realize they WILL have to buy a new EV the price of these will go through the roof...

The way EV sales are currently imploding I bet they reverse a lot of the silly decisions they made over the last couple years, would not be surprised at all if they are working on an updated hemi either.

Much depends on 2024 and what we end up with politically. Ford, GM and to some extent Stelantis NEED the government to continue with mandates or they are screwed. They are in so deep with their EV 'investments' that reversing will be tough.

Much depends on 2024 and what we end up with politically. Ford, GM and to some extent Stelantis NEED the government to continue with mandates or they are screwed. They are in so deep with their EV 'investments' that reversing will be tough.

Just curious, anyone following the market in terms of the Challenger/Charger especially the Hellcats. Figured the Demons are in a world all its own. I know the crazy auction prices are going to be there but that’s not a true picture of the market. Given that these cars are not being built anymore I would imagine the value is going to keep going up.

Actually, dealers are cutting and running instead of having to deal with Ev inventory rotting on lots that nobody wants.


General Motors (GM) has bought out about half of its 2,000 Buick dealers nationwide, based on their decision to not sell electric vehicles, according to a company spokesman Wednesday.

Dealers who are taking the buyout would give up the Buick franchise and no longer sell the brand, he said. The dealer can continue to sell other GM models, such as Chevrolet or GMC, that often account for a higher percentage of sales.

Sad day for sure. I have been watching the market since they were new. Someday I would like to find a nice B5 blue H.C. with no sunroof.

Manheim auctions are wholesale (dealer) auctions and the MMR reflects wholesale values. There are other evaluators that indicate retail values. One thing that can be gleaned from both evaluations are trends if you are following a particular vehicle like the Hellcats.

Lots of things go into auction prices and the initial decision to place the unit there. But the choice pieces do not typically go to a wholesale auction. Why would a dealer take wholesale money, less fees and transportation, for a unit that is truly retail ready? There is always a reason that an apparently good retail piece goes to a wholesale auction. A 1 (or maybe 2) owner Hellcat with no accident history would be much more desirable than the same unit with half a dozen owners or with an accident report. Or had significant warranty issues. The devil is in the details.

MMR is a very good indicator of wholesale pricing, but misses the retail money on solid, clean units unless the vehicle is in really, really limited supply. Early on, Hellcats brought retail plus at Manheim when they couldn't be found otherwise and 1 or 2 year old Hellcats would often have several prior owners (flippers) in short order. It was not uncommon to see Hellcats with 6 or 7 prior owners at Manheim by the time they were 2 years old. But those days are long gone.

I will just bet that if you look at the background of the Hellcats at the Manheim wholesale auctions today, you will find the reason they are there, rather than on a dealer's lot. Or in an owner's garage.

I will tell you this; I would be very interested in a one (or 2) owner, accident free Hellcat with 34k for $38k. But it is highly unlikely that is what was sold at Manheim.

Can’t make a blanket statement about stuff. Every unit stands( or doesn’t stand) on its own merits