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Re: We’re you happy with your Borgeson steering box swap? [Re: MarkZ] #3195214
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Originally Posted by MarkZ
I really do not understand the issues people have been having. I ordered everything through Bergman Autocraft so it included all the fittings, hoses and his column adapter. Box went right in without so much on an issue. This is on an M body that nobody makes [censored] for or even takes into consideration when designing kits. Completely took the slop out of the steering. I've installed two of these kits on separate cars. Just order it all through Bergman!


Yes, it seems those that went thru Bergman, who has spent the time to sort it out, have had no or minimal issues.

Those who thought they could save a few dollars doing it themselves forget to account for the cost of their time and aggravation.

I am generally of the second group, but in some cases it makes sense to go with the already well sorted out kit. This is one of those times.

Re: We’re you happy with your Borgeson steering box swap? [Re: MarkZ] #3195217
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Originally Posted by MarkZ
I really do not understand the issues people have been having. I ordered everything through Bergman Autocraft so it included all the fittings, hoses and his column adapter. Box went right in without so much on an issue. This is on an M body that nobody makes [censored] for or even takes into consideration when designing kits. Completely took the slop out of the steering. I've installed two of these kits on separate cars. Just order it all through Bergman!

Good point I forgot to mention that I did too, he makes the install so easy.

Re: We’re you happy with your Borgeson steering box swap? [Re: jcc] #3195230
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Not yet mentioned, but I thought this box had like a one? point faster steering ratio over an OEM PS box, granted not much, but nobody has even commented on that aspect as if it's not even noticeable?
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Re: We’re you happy with your Borgeson steering box swap? [Re: MarkZ] #3195231
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Originally Posted by MarkZ
I really do not understand the issues people have been having. I ordered everything through Bergman Autocraft so it included all the fittings, hoses and his column adapter. Box went right in without so much on an issue. This is on an M body that nobody makes [censored] for or even takes into consideration when designing kits. Completely took the slop out of the steering. I've installed two of these kits on separate cars. Just order it all through Bergman!


Mark, I for one was not even aware of the refined Bergman kit but did make note of it. My experiences across multiple vehicle makes as stated are with the borgeson Half a-- kits that are far from the "bolt in" they make one think it is. I too have well equipped shop and have been able to address MOST of the issues as AndyF commented. The OP asked about Borgeson and like me may not have been aware of Bergman's refined kits. My experiences in a few cases required trying multiple fluid brands and Adding oil coolers to keep the fluid temp down to alleviate chattering, groaning atc at low speeds or when stopped and turning the wheels. Not sure Bergman has a fix for that based on an earlier post. Borgeson may have also come up with a solution but i wouldn't count on it wink
No offense meant just responding to you question wink beer

Re: We’re you happy with your Borgeson steering box swap? [Re: TJP] #3195318
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Originally Posted by TJP
Originally Posted by MarkZ
I really do not understand the issues people have been having. I ordered everything through Bergman Autocraft so it included all the fittings, hoses and his column adapter. Box went right in without so much on an issue. This is on an M body that nobody makes [censored] for or even takes into consideration when designing kits. Completely took the slop out of the steering. I've installed two of these kits on separate cars. Just order it all through Bergman!


Mark, I for one was not even aware of the refined Bergman kit but did make note of it. My experiences across multiple vehicle makes as stated are with the borgeson Half a-- kits that are far from the "bolt in" they make one think it is. I too have well equipped shop and have been able to address MOST of the issues as AndyF commented. The OP asked about Borgeson and like me may not have been aware of Bergman's refined kits. My experiences in a few cases required trying multiple fluid brands and Adding oil coolers to keep the fluid temp down to alleviate chattering, groaning atc at low speeds or when stopped and turning the wheels. Not sure Bergman has a fix for that based on an earlier post. Borgeson may have also come up with a solution but i wouldn't count on it wink
No offense meant just responding to you question wink beer


None taken! I think I may have come off a little strong in that post too.

I should add some context. Both the boxes I have are gen 2 pieces and I know that the 1st gen boxes did have issues, especially with the case and the welded on mounting ears.


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Re: We’re you happy with your Borgeson steering box swap? [Re: MarkZ] #3195365
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Originally Posted by MarkZ
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Originally Posted by MarkZ
I really do not understand the issues people have been having. I ordered everything through Bergman Autocraft so it included all the fittings, hoses and his column adapter. Box went right in without so much on an issue. This is on an M body that nobody makes [censored] for or even takes into consideration when designing kits. Completely took the slop out of the steering. I've installed two of these kits on separate cars. Just order it all through Bergman!


Mark, I for one was not even aware of the refined Bergman kit but did make note of it. My experiences across multiple vehicle makes as stated are with the borgeson Half a-- kits that are far from the "bolt in" they make one think it is. I too have well equipped shop and have been able to address MOST of the issues as AndyF commented. The OP asked about Borgeson and like me may not have been aware of Bergman's refined kits. My experiences in a few cases required trying multiple fluid brands and Adding oil coolers to keep the fluid temp down to alleviate chattering, groaning atc at low speeds or when stopped and turning the wheels. Not sure Bergman has a fix for that based on an earlier post. Borgeson may have also come up with a solution but i wouldn't count on it wink
No offense meant just responding to you question wink beer


None taken! I think I may have come off a little strong in that post too.

I should add some context. Both the boxes I have are gen 2 pieces and I know that the 1st gen boxes did have issues, especially with the case and the welded on mounting ears.


When did you purchase the G2 box?

Re: We’re you happy with your Borgeson steering box swap? [Re: Car Nut] #3195384
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Originally Posted by Car Nut
When did you purchase the G2 box?


Spring of 2015.


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Re: We’re you happy with your Borgeson steering box swap? [Re: MarkZ] #3195385
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When did you purchase the G2 box?


Spring of 2015.


OK, thanks, that’s about when I bought mine too.

Re: We’re you happy with your Borgeson steering box swap? [Re: Sniper] #3195404
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Originally Posted by Sniper
Bergman Autocraft has taken the time and effort to address all the issues on this swap an offer a kit. Check them out and see what you think. I have no dog in this hunt, all my cars use Armstrong steering, lol

https://bergmanautocraft.com/product/borgeson-steering-box-conversion-master-kit/


Thanks for the link. I see they refined the kit and is a minimal hassle bolt in now. With a final cost of $1500 (sipping and taxes), it's not looking it's worth the swap for the minimal return in steering improvement. Tanks again for all the info guys.

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