Solid bushed roller choices?
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I'm looking for solid rollers, I want to avoid hydraulic lifter issues and I don't mind adjusting valves, and a motor full of needle bearings make me worry. - .820 roller (not .750) - Bushed bearings (not needle) - Oil-through to pushrods - Standard height bore compatible (B Block 383) I found these three, any others I should look at? Should I choose lifters with cup offset or no offset? https://borowskirace.com/products/b...hanical-roller-lifter?variant=1300705760 - Bronze bushing $1,224 https://iskycams.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=266&products_id=2249 steel bushing $1,555 ?? [no link yet] BAM bushed lifters ?? https://johncalliesinc.com/morel_products.php (Unsure which part is what) I'm using PAC-1276X beehive springs on 440Source CNC heads, Bullet cam hydraulic 246/251 108lsa .612/.611 lift (1.6 stainless rockers), 440source lightweight 4.25" crank, .030" over 383. Haven't picked pushrods yet.
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Re: Solid bushed roller choices?
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Re: Solid bushed roller choices?
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I'm using those comp cam lifters in my current motor since 2021 , I inspected them earlier this year and they still feel good.
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Re: Solid bushed roller choices?
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Isky, Bam. Morel and Jesel will if you ask. I have all three in my engines currrently. Had reallly good luck with Isky, we just put a set in one engine I just had on the dyno and the other got Bam lifters.
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Re: Solid bushed roller choices?
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The “regular” BAM 2016’s for $960 are needle bearing lifters. The bronze bushing version are about $1150, and the DLC coated steel bushing version is about $1360.
The Comp cams sportsman lifters(96829B-16) do not support pushrod oiling.
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Re: Solid bushed roller choices?
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Make sure you have the lifter bores bushed, so whichever lifter you use sits square/properly on the cam lobes. My lifter bores were so far off from the factory it was obscene, and caused uneven wear at the roller/lobe interface not to mention the cylinder to cylinder valve timing was likely all over the board.
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Re: Solid bushed roller choices?
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I run the Morel black mamba. Not bushed but dissimilar metal axle and direct axle oiling.
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Re: Solid bushed roller choices?
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Are any of the premium ones (BAM, Isky Red Zone, Morel) ok for unbushed bores or is it a crapshoot if they'll have oil control issues in a stock B/RB block?
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Re: Solid bushed roller choices?
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I’ve sold several sets of BAM’s to people with unbushed stock blocks.
One of them sent me a little video of him running the priming tool with the manifold off. He was worried about the flow of oil coming out around the lifter wheel from the EDM oiling to the axle. It was way less than what I’d seen from similar videos using other lifters.
In the end, the hot oil pressure is fine, and that motor completed drag week this year without issue.
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That's interesting. I'll have my machinist check those lifter bores.
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Re: Solid bushed roller choices?
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After reading your first two posts Several times I am totally confused. Are you looking for solid or hydraulic roller lifters for your hydraulic roller cam?
In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is.
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I’ve sold several sets of BAM’s to people with unbushed stock blocks.
One of them sent me a little video of him running the priming tool with the manifold off. He was worried about the flow of oil coming out around the lifter wheel from the EDM oiling to the axle. It was way less than what I’d seen from similar videos using other lifters.
In the end, the hot oil pressure is fine, and that motor completed drag week this year without issue. That’s super helpful, thank you!
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After reading your first two posts Several times I am totally confused. Are you looking for solid or hydraulic roller lifters for your hydraulic roller cam? I want to use solid roller lifters on my hydraulic roller cam. A gentler lobe, no hydraulic lifter failures, no needle bearings. T.V. programs my brain ... Engine Masters - Solid roller lifters on a hydraulic cam https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZTdo2-cGCM
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Cab, I understand what you are saying but in my opinion the guy's on Engine Masters are way, way past that. Bill
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After reading your first two posts Several times I am totally confused. Are you looking for solid or hydraulic roller lifters for your hydraulic roller cam? I want to use solid roller lifters on my hydraulic roller cam. A gentler lobe, no hydraulic lifter failures, no needle bearings. T.V. programs my brain ... Engine Masters - Solid roller lifters on a hydraulic cam https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZTdo2-cGCM It can be done and I have done it as well but don't make the mistake in assuming that a hydraulic roller cam has gentler lobes. If you assess the intensity levels between the cams and compare you will find that they are on par with aggressive solid profiles or in a lot of cases more aggressive. They get away with it because the hydraulic lifter is like shock absorber. I have a marine jet boat application that I used a Hydraulic Roller Marine lobe that is supposed to be more for endurance applications and it has a major intensity level of 29 degrees. That is very aggressive on a solid roller.... AG.
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Re: Solid bushed roller choices?
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Bullet Cams says that cam with solids will work fine. If you run the solid lifters then hot lash the cam at .010/.010. You will be fine and you can run as much spring as you want. Kirk m
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Cab, I understand what you are seeing but in my opinion the guy's on Engine Masters are way, way past that. Bill The guys on Engine Masters are far from English Majors. LOL. All 3 have forgotten more than most will know.
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