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Re: New F.A.S.T smallblock record!!! [Re: JohnRR] #3187833
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Originally Posted by JohnRR
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I wish I understood the rules more but from what I understand it’s not your everyday common compound street tire. Big cubic inches. Big manifolds modified of course. Are Grids aloud to pull timing??? Any head modification that aren’t legal??? Compression limits??? What rear suspension are they allowed? I’m guessing large. And are aloud. Any ring pac rules.


The tires are reproduction bias ply tires , nothing special about them other than they hook better than the originals, some people played with traction aiding substances but it didn't really help, track prep is very good when these cars run I assume ... I haven't run since '06

Yes it's over 400 CI ,

Stock 340 A body exh castings that can be ported and polished as they see fit, 2.5 inch max pipe size to the rear bumper, stock looking mufflers in stock location , straight thru ok , X pipe ok

No idea what the grids are but they are allowed to run a digital type ignition with a stock looking dist housing.

Compression there is no limit

Rear suspension is factory stock style leafs and a race shock , no caltrac type , no slapper bars

No ring pack rules, there is a cubic inch limit on big blocks , not sure what it is on a smallblock ?

Roller cams allowed , aftermarket rockers allowed but they need to fit under a stock type valvecover 2 gaskets , no spacers ... the valvecover rule does not apply to the BBC, they can run an aftermerket that is MUCH taller , no one makes one for other makes ? fan



The BB chevy also gets to run an aftermarket head that appears nothing like a stock casting.


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Re: New F.A.S.T smallblock record!!! [Re: RMCHRGR] #3187835
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Originally Posted by RMCHRGR
Originally Posted by pittsburghracer
Didn’t Ryan have a cnc program to lighten the R3 blocks years ago. I’m sure others do too.


I kinda remember that and recall it was a huge amount of work? The class rule makers would likely want you to keep the outside of the block looking 'factory' though so there's probably a limit on what you can do to it anyway. No motor plates in the class so the mount ears would have to stay and that's a bunch of weight right there. Most of the weight is in the block itself anyway with thicker main webbing and decks, lifter bosses, 4 bolt mains, etc.


I don't think that taking off anything of the outside of the block that wasn't on an original block would be an issue , the current stink is that now that the big block chevies that run alum. heads can now use the GM performance head, which is made by Edlebrock and looks NOTHING like a stock GM head even if you paint it orange, is allowed to run it like that. The excuse by one person is the hemi has been running aftermarket heads and blocks for 15 years ... ignoring that the MP block and head allowed puts MORE weight on the nose of the car ... wink wink .... Someone has been able to doctor the ebrock head to look like a GM head ... I wonder if any of those are running where they wouldn't be allowed ???


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Re: New F.A.S.T smallblock record!!! [Re: HotRodDave] #3187836
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Originally Posted by HotRodDave
Originally Posted by JohnRR
Originally Posted by pittsburghracer


I wish I understood the rules more but from what I understand it’s not your everyday common compound street tire. Big cubic inches. Big manifolds modified of course. Are Grids aloud to pull timing??? Any head modification that aren’t legal??? Compression limits??? What rear suspension are they allowed? I’m guessing large. And are aloud. Any ring pac rules.


The tires are reproduction bias ply tires , nothing special about them other than they hook better than the originals, some people played with traction aiding substances but it didn't really help, track prep is very good when these cars run I assume ... I haven't run since '06

Yes it's over 400 CI ,

Stock 340 A body exh castings that can be ported and polished as they see fit, 2.5 inch max pipe size to the rear bumper, stock looking mufflers in stock location , straight thru ok , X pipe ok

No idea what the grids are but they are allowed to run a digital type ignition with a stock looking dist housing.

Compression there is no limit

Rear suspension is factory stock style leafs and a race shock , no caltrac type , no slapper bars

No ring pack rules, there is a cubic inch limit on big blocks , not sure what it is on a smallblock ?

Roller cams allowed , aftermarket rockers allowed but they need to fit under a stock type valvecover 2 gaskets , no spacers ... the valvecover rule does not apply to the BBC, they can run an aftermerket that is MUCH taller , no one makes one for other makes ? fan



The BB chevy also gets to run an aftermarket head that appears nothing like a stock casting.


You tree'd me ..

Move along ... nothing to see here ...


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Re: New F.A.S.T smallblock record!!! [Re: Streetwize] #3187838
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Originally Posted by Streetwize
My major "observation" with all my association with FAST is that even where you are allowed to run an aftermarket block (Hemi's and BB Chevies are allowed due in large part to scarcity) in my opinion you should still be limited to a maximum of .060" over the FACTORY Bore size. IMO it's an unfair advantage to be allowed a 4.56" bore for the Hemi/L87-L89 cars if only because a guy with a small block anything or a Pontiac or any other brand can't. Bigger bores mean bigger valves and the 'already fast' combos get that much faster.


Siamese bore blocks.

I think it was the answer to the 71 Ford being capable of 550ish cubes in a non siamese bore block ??


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Re: New F.A.S.T smallblock record!!! [Re: scatpacktom] #3188019
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Are there any rear gear ratio limitations for this class?

Anyone have a link to the rules?

Thanks


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Re: New F.A.S.T smallblock record!!! [Re: fast68plymouth] #3188059
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From the posted rules -

"The rear axle housing must be of the same manufacturer as the car"

Does that mean a Dana 60 can be used in a 71 340 Duster?

Re: New F.A.S.T smallblock record!!! [Re: LSP] #3188074
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I don’t know why you couldn’t.


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Re: New F.A.S.T smallblock record!!! [Re: LSP] #3188140
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Originally Posted by LSP
From the posted rules -

"The rear axle housing must be of the same manufacturer as the car"

Does that mean a Dana 60 can be used in a 71 340 Duster?


Why would one want to?


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Originally Posted by F1Scamp
Originally Posted by LSP
From the posted rules -

"The rear axle housing must be of the same manufacturer as the car"

Does that mean a Dana 60 can be used in a 71 340 Duster?


Why would one want to?


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Re: New F.A.S.T smallblock record!!! [Re: F1Scamp] #3188908
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Originally Posted by F1Scamp
Originally Posted by LSP
From the posted rules -

"The rear axle housing must be of the same manufacturer as the car"

Does that mean a Dana 60 can be used in a 71 340 Duster?


Why would one want to?

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Did anybody notice the boosters on that carb?


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Congrats Brian and Gene! You guys have been picking away at this for a long time, and it just keeps getting better.


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Re: New F.A.S.T smallblock record!!! [Re: Streetwize] #3189786
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Originally Posted by Streetwize
Did anybody notice the boosters on that carb?


Where did you see a picture of the carb ?


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Re: New F.A.S.T smallblock record!!! [Re: JohnRR] #3189806
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Not my sandbox, I just play in it. The BBC and Hemi issues have been around for a very long time. As a small block guy, they don’t really concern me personally. I understand the thought process of why some small block aftermarket heads are allowed, just don’t agree with it. For me, if you are going to allow an aftermarket part in, it has to be because you can’t find a useable original part. Under no circumstance should you have difficulty finding the most produce v8 head in the history of man. The small block Chevy. The next consideration should be, is an aftermarket part available to all the manufacturers. No, then you can’t allow it for one make. Recently, the Indy LA-X was approved, no one I know will run that head. There is no reason for it to be allowed. There are plenty of LA heads out there. It is by its nature a better head. It is legal, but against the spirit of the idea of the class. Also, they don’t exist. Indy stopped producing them 5+ years ago and they lost the tooling and have no intention of ever producing the head again. The result of allowing an aftermarket small block head is a performance advantage to one manufacturer that is not available to the others. That’s it. It was done to attract racers in a time of need. To be clear, I don’t care if you are out running for fun, my issue is if you contend for a record. With small blocks it should be stock castings only for record contenders. There were no “record contending” aftermarket head cars in the class. An opportunity to remove them from the small blocks was missed. Just my two cents.


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Indy's website shows the LA heads for sale. First page of website under Parts Blowout Sale.

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Yeah, that’s why I called to find out. No, none in stock, lost the tooling when the business changed hands and no, no intention of recreating the tooling and producing them. Straight from Indy.


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I wasn't aware that the R blocks were allowed so yeah they will take up to a 4.22" Siamese bore with a 4.25" crank that's about 475 cubes.

So with a lightened block and 48 degree lifters and 13.5:1 I can see it being fun figuring out how to go 10's in an A body.

The biggest 'trick' is with a restricted exhaust you have to figure out how to the intake to feed the cylinders adequately all alone (without the benefit of overlap) so wide centers and big (in a SBM ) 2.15" / 1.56" valves.

With high compression and good combustion, surprisingly, the exhaust can still get out of there very quickly.

Also I learned a long time ago that under the right conditions a big motor can pull through a 'too small' port and effectively toss the 28" flow numbers right out the window in terms of HP/CFM

I might get back interested in this class again.


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Originally Posted by Streetwize
I wasn't aware that the R blocks were allowed so yeah they will take up to a 4.22" Siamese bore with a 4.25" crank that's about 475 cubes.

So with a lightened block and 48 degree lifters and 13.5:1 I can see it being fun figuring out how to go 10's in an A body.

The biggest 'trick' is with a restricted exhaust you have to figure out how to the intake to feed the cylinders adequately all alone (without the benefit of overlap) so wide centers and big (in a SBM ) 2.15" / 1.56" valves.

With high compression and good combustion, surprisingly, the exhaust can still get out of there very quickly.

Also I learned a long time ago that under the right conditions a big motor can pull through a 'too small' port and effectively toss the 28" flow numbers right out the window in terms of HP/CFM

I might get back interested in this class again.


I think you are way over thinking getting into the ten's. Mine is a 4.07" bore, 59'*, using the stock 2.02 and 1.6 valve sizes. You just have to get the motor to not care so much about exhaling through a 1 7/8 hole on the passenger side.


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