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Re: 'new' engine UPDATES 440-1cnc [Re: HardcoreB] #3180525
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Not real happy with the total ring-pac but the oil ring drags at 14lbs now/close enough. Recip spinning is 20lbs with the 'top-fuel' rear main installed FWIW

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Re: 'new' engine UPDATES 440-1cnc [Re: HardcoreB] #3180526
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Swap meet GRP's needed some detailing and I polished the pins.

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Re: 'new' engine UPDATES 440-1cnc [Re: HardcoreB] #3180529
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Think I mentioned TS3103 Jim gave me a thrust washer for the Jesel belt but the ID was way too big. I used it for mock-up, then I opened up my old std. washer to 55mm. (because Jesel doesnt make the washer in 55mm ID) That took a little patience to do.

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Lastly, currently I have to disassemble the shortblock because I didnt measure crank endplay during mock-up and it's only got .003" SOAB! It's getting really hard to be motivated lately because it's so late in the season. But I still keep plugging away LATE for some reason.

Re: 'new' engine UPDATES 440-1cnc [Re: HardcoreB] #3180582
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Originally Posted by HardcoreB
After sorting this all, I ordered some 7/16x.168" straight-wall pushrods from Manton with .040 restrictors. I had an intake manifold flange from my buddies 1400HP single-4 565" BBC and laid on the deck-surface to gage why his makes so much more power than my 440-1's (in the background)


The old NMCA Real Street class rules used to have a weight adder determined by how raised off the deck surface the intake port floor was. Thought that was a pretty clever way of trying to even things out. Looking good!

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Re: 'new' engine UPDATES 440-1cnc [Re: fbs63] #3180840
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Thanks Bob! Yes, one of the many rules considers port floor from the deck. There's no way you could make parity by rules to make the stuff I choose to use to be 'competitive'. Last night, I got it apart then sanded .004 form the front thrust surface, the recip is back in and I have .007"!!!

Re: 'new' engine UPDATES 440-1cnc [Re: fbs63] #3180928
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Originally Posted by fbs63


The old NMCA Real Street class rules used to have a weight adder determined by how raised off the deck surface the intake port floor was. Thought that was a pretty clever way of trying to even things out. Looking good!


NMCa still uses that in the rules for NA10.5. Seperates heads in to categories for weight based on distance off the deck. As well as a few other things smile


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Re: 'new' engine UPDATES 440-1cnc [Re: HardcoreB] #3180935
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Originally Posted by HardcoreB
Removed old SS .045 o-rings from deck...that was fun? Replaced with copper and filed down flush...

You are good with a file.


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Re: 'new' engine UPDATES 440-1cnc [Re: rickseeman] #3180953
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Wow.
Lots of details and attention / care.


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Re: 'new' engine UPDATES 440-1cnc [Re: 440Jim] #3180984
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lots of good machinist "inventive thoughts" used here. up bow
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Re: 'new' engine UPDATES 440-1cnc [Re: moparx] #3181016
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Thanks guys! To a good number of people I'm a hillbilly when it comes to 'fixing' issues. But like I've said, more than one way to skin...I don't mind sharing the things i consider important, there are a good number of people still on this board that share and help just the same. It all just takes time. For one reason I share a cheaper way to measure and fix things for the guy that has more time than money. But there's a value in learning to do it yourself. In hindsight probably a lot of things i've done, I might've bought the better tool or part in the beginning.

Re: 'new' engine UPDATES 440-1cnc [Re: HardcoreB] #3181312
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i'm guilty of spending more time and effort "inventing" something, when for a few bucks, what i'm "inventing" can be bought and my time saved. laugh2
growing up around depression era family does that to a guy.
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Re: 'new' engine UPDATES 440-1cnc [Re: moparx] #3182421
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Heads are on. I noticed Cometic doesn't punch holes for the lower passages in the block so, I got out my punch kit for 12 holes. Because I have reverse cooling, I thought it was a good idea. Once everything was assembled I did a quick leak test.

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Re: 'new' engine UPDATES 440-1cnc [Re: HardcoreB] #3182433
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A lot of build work done this weekend with typical unexpected works. I used to pull a stage from the valley and reused this cover so I had to cut a relief in the chinawall area when I learned I'd need the clearance.

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Re: 'new' engine UPDATES 440-1cnc [Re: HardcoreB] #3182443
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A new ATI damper shifted both FEAD pulley alignments out so, that's getting some attention now. I got a little too generous with rtv on the Jesel shim pac and had to take that apart because it squeezed into the bearing! (Found it verifying assembled cam lash) New pulleys for the oil pump for 61% drive speed targeting the max recommended pump speed. Installed a AN fitting in the distributor plug hole for quick venting during warm-up. Verified assembled lifts, ICL and lash adjustment which I figure to be about .016" tighter than hot values.

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Re: 'new' engine UPDATES 440-1cnc [Re: HardcoreB] #3182477
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Originally Posted by HardcoreB
Removed old SS .045 o-rings from deck...that was fun? Replaced with copper and filed down flush...


That's crazy how clean that came out, it almost looks like the groove has been somehow welded with copper wire.


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Originally Posted by ZIPPY
Originally Posted by HardcoreB
Removed old SS .045 o-rings from deck...that was fun? Replaced with copper and filed down flush...


That's crazy how clean that came out, it almost looks like the groove has been somehow welded with copper wire.
Lol...patience grasshopper. Now hopefully it seals!

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I'm considering painting the block and heads black...

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Originally Posted by HardcoreB
I'm considering painting the block and heads black...


Looks good as is!

Re: 'new' engine UPDATES 440-1cnc [Re: John Burdine] #3183331
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Would look better with different heads boogie


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