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09/16/23 04:23 PM
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Do you think it will make it into major production? https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/new...2e05ce281940b6aebc6d975e239393&ei=59

Re: interesting new engine design [Re: stumpy] #3175698
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Originally Posted by stumpy
Do you think it will make it into major production? https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/new...2e05ce281940b6aebc6d975e239393&ei=59


The way to gauge if it will be successful is to watch the reaction of the EV promoters. If they are silent, they don't view it as a threat. If they start attacking it tooth and nail, then yes, it has promise as it could invalidate much of their agenda. This is NOT meant to be political, just realistic.


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Re: interesting new engine design [Re: 6PakBee] #3175702
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It looks promising, but I question the acceptance of 160 torque and 170hp. Look at how many vehicles running around now with 300 or more horsepower and enough torque to rip your head off. Unless it produces insane MPG numbers will the American consumer be ready to go back to ho-hum again? This seems more suited for the European market.

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Re: interesting new engine design [Re: SattyNoCar] #3175710
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Originally Posted by SattyNoCar

LINKY directly to engine

It looks promising, but I question the acceptance of 160 torque and 170hp. Look at how many vehicles running around now with 300 or more horsepower and enough torque to rip your head off. Unless it produces insane MPG numbers will the American consumer be ready to go back to ho-hum again? This seems more suited for the European market.

twocents


Per the article you linked - "Two modules make for 31.8 kg (70 pounds) (total weight), output of 320 horsepower and 340 pound-feet (460 Nm). Just to put things in perspective, Toyota’s 2JZ GTE engine makes 330 horsepower in its most powerful factory trim and weighs in at a whopping, by comparison, 269 kg (592 pounds), while BMW’s B58 engine has a dry weight of 139 kg (306 pounds)." 320 hp from an engine weighing less than two bags of cheap kitty litter is pretty impressive.

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Originally Posted by Jer
Originally Posted by SattyNoCar

LINKY directly to engine

It looks promising, but I question the acceptance of 160 torque and 170hp. Look at how many vehicles running around now with 300 or more horsepower and enough torque to rip your head off. Unless it produces insane MPG numbers will the American consumer be ready to go back to ho-hum again? This seems more suited for the European market.

twocents


Per the article you linked - "Two modules make for 31.8 kg (70 pounds) (total weight), output of 320 horsepower and 340 pound-feet (460 Nm). Just to put things in perspective, Toyota’s 2JZ GTE engine makes 330 horsepower in its most powerful factory trim and weighs in at a whopping, by comparison, 269 kg (592 pounds), while BMW’s B58 engine has a dry weight of 139 kg (306 pounds)." 320 hp from an engine weighing less than two bags of cheap kitty litter is pretty impressive.


I skimmed too fast. I quoted single module, you quoted dual module. Dual is more impressive. My bad. blush


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Re: interesting new engine design [Re: SattyNoCar] #3175747
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Any indications on the concepts fuel efficiency? As I recall that was also an issue with mazda's rotary. If one looks at some of the 4 bangers currently being offered some are downright anemic, even the turbo'ed ones. Not all but several. Think Geo Metro with an automatic and A/C 🤣. Well, maybe not quite that bad but pretty feeble. one of my favorite cars from the 80's was the 83- 86 or so Mazda 626. 1600cc's with a 5 spd. Comfortable even on a long trip. My 85 turned 39 MPG running 75-80 MPH with the A/C on. Was even carbureted. I'd buy a new one in a nano second. Love to see this come to fruition up

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has the potential to run on hydrogen fuel

you can run any IC engine on Hydrogen. Problem is it is dangerous to transport and highly flammable(bomb on wheels). Problem isn't the engine the fuel to run it is.

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No discussion in the article on emissions. NOx could be a deal killer. If not they will come up with some other excuse. It's still an IC and all ICs are bad.


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Re: interesting new engine design [Re: SattyNoCar] #3175924
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Originally Posted by SattyNoCar
Originally Posted by Jer
Originally Posted by SattyNoCar

LINKY directly to engine

It looks promising, but I question the acceptance of 160 torque and 170hp. Look at how many vehicles running around now with 300 or more horsepower and enough torque to rip your head off. Unless it produces insane MPG numbers will the American consumer be ready to go back to ho-hum again? This seems more suited for the European market.

twocents


Per the article you linked - "Two modules make for 31.8 kg (70 pounds) (total weight), output of 320 horsepower and 340 pound-feet (460 Nm). Just to put things in perspective, Toyota’s 2JZ GTE engine makes 330 horsepower in its most powerful factory trim and weighs in at a whopping, by comparison, 269 kg (592 pounds), while BMW’s B58 engine has a dry weight of 139 kg (306 pounds)." 320 hp from an engine weighing less than two bags of cheap kitty litter is pretty impressive.


I skimmed too fast. I quoted single module, you quoted dual module. Dual is more impressive. My bad. blush


If two is good, four would be even moar better. 140 pounds, 640 HP. Ooooooh.


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The article curiously avoids giving hard numbers on compression ratio and thermal efficiency, and instead emphasizes high maximum power from a small size foot print, similar to two stroke engines.

Perhaps the very high supercharger pressures are due to inherent compression ratio limitations.

Turbine engines have high max power from a small package with smooth vibration characteristics,
but so far have not exceeded the very best thermal efficiency a piston engine can reach.

It might be deliberate “misdirection” by the article authors to not compare this design to a same size/same weight modern turbine.

Automotive engine manufactures have long complained that aircraft turbine engines can legally emit far more NOx.

Perhaps we should stay silent about this
or we might see cruise missiles fitted with catalytic converters?

Re: interesting new engine design [Re: stumpy] #3175959
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For any headline written as a question, the answer is almost always "no".

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Originally Posted by 360view
Perhaps we should stay silent about this or we might see cruise missiles fitted with catalytic converters?


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Originally Posted by Moparite

you can run any IC engine on Hydrogen. Problem is it is dangerous to transport and highly flammable(bomb on wheels). Problem isn't the engine the fuel to run it is.


lol

bomb on wheels

Just stop. In use, gasoline is more dangerous.

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Originally Posted by 360view
The article curiously avoids giving hard numbers on compression ratio and thermal efficiency, and instead emphasizes high maximum power from a small size foot print, similar to two stroke engines.

Perhaps the very high supercharger pressures are due to inherent compression ratio limitations.

Turbine engines have high max power from a small package with smooth vibration characteristics,
but so far have not exceeded the very best thermal efficiency a piston engine can reach.

It might be deliberate “misdirection” by the article authors to not compare this design to a same size/same weight modern turbine.

Automotive engine manufactures have long complained that aircraft turbine engines can legally emit far more NOx.

Perhaps we should stay silent about this
or we might see cruise missiles fitted with catalytic converters?



I was kinda wondering the same thing, I thought to myself "is it limited to 3 to 1 compression so they have to run 100 PSI of boost?"


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