Re: E body rotor upgrade
[Re: jcc]
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09/18/23 12:10 PM
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But Andy's point mentioned here if one is able to lock the brakes, you have enough brake power, just not enough tire has a lot of merit. I agree with his statement and understand what he's saying about another issue if the brakes are as bad as they are. I should have worded my posts differently. I know the rotors aren't the cause of my problems, I believe it's the unknown parts store remanufactured master cylinder on it so I bought one of the new wilwood mopar master cylinders. I was just concerned about quality issues with these being cheap rotors. At this point, Instead of buying better rotors, and as Andy stated earlier, they're pretty much all cheap quality in this size anymore, I'm just considering buying the bigger kit and being done with it. As a benefit, I should have better braking too with the larger rotors and 6 piston calipers vs 4 piston calipers. Plus the lighter weight of the wilwood rotors are another benefit. The opinions on wilwoods brakes seem to vary between love and hate, but I'm very limited with 15" wheels and I don't see any other options with brembo, baer etc.
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1973 Challenger Rallye 340
1985 W150 Power Ram prospector
1986 Camaro IROC-Z 305 tpi
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Re: E body rotor upgrade
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09/19/23 03:18 PM
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But Andy's point mentioned here if one is able to lock the brakes, you have enough brake power, just not enough tire has a lot of merit. I agree with his statement and understand what he's saying about another issue if the brakes are as bad as they are. I should have worded my posts differently. I know the rotors aren't the cause of my problems, I believe it's the unknown parts store remanufactured master cylinder on it so I bought one of the new wilwood mopar master cylinders. I was just concerned about quality issues with these being cheap rotors. At this point, Instead of buying better rotors, and as Andy stated earlier, they're pretty much all cheap quality in this size anymore, I'm just considering buying the bigger kit and being done with it. As a benefit, I should have better braking too with the larger rotors and 6 piston calipers vs 4 piston calipers. Plus the lighter weight of the wilwood rotors are another benefit. The opinions on wilwoods brakes seem to vary between love and hate, but I'm very limited with 15" wheels and I don't see any other options with brembo, baer etc. As I posted early on, Baer does make a kit for use with 15s.
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Re: E body rotor upgrade
[Re: SomeCarGuy]
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09/19/23 03:56 PM
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But Andy's point mentioned here if one is able to lock the brakes, you have enough brake power, just not enough tire has a lot of merit. I agree with his statement and understand what he's saying about another issue if the brakes are as bad as they are. I should have worded my posts differently. I know the rotors aren't the cause of my problems, I believe it's the unknown parts store remanufactured master cylinder on it so I bought one of the new wilwood mopar master cylinders. I was just concerned about quality issues with these being cheap rotors. At this point, Instead of buying better rotors, and as Andy stated earlier, they're pretty much all cheap quality in this size anymore, I'm just considering buying the bigger kit and being done with it. As a benefit, I should have better braking too with the larger rotors and 6 piston calipers vs 4 piston calipers. Plus the lighter weight of the wilwood rotors are another benefit. The opinions on wilwoods brakes seem to vary between love and hate, but I'm very limited with 15" wheels and I don't see any other options with brembo, baer etc. As I posted early on, Baer does make a kit for use with 15s. I'll check again, but I couldn't find any for 15" wheels. Only 17 and bigger
1973 Cuda 528 all aluminum Hemi, 4 speed, 3.23 Sure-Grip,
(JA5) Silver Frost Metallic
1973 Challenger Rallye 340
1985 W150 Power Ram prospector
1986 Camaro IROC-Z 305 tpi
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Re: E body rotor upgrade
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09/19/23 05:08 PM
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12.19" is considered the normal max for 15", but caliper size/design and the same for the wheel are important factors at play.
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Re: E body rotor upgrade
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09/19/23 08:42 PM
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I don't see a lot of "upgrade" with that kit for the OP other than being new, a drilled option, and fancy colors.
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Re: E body rotor upgrade
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09/19/23 08:50 PM
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I don't see a lot of "upgrade" with that kit for the OP other than being new, a drilled option, and fancy colors. The OP stated he couldn't find a Baer kit meant for 15" wheels, I provided a link to the kit. Is it worth the money? That's up to the OP to decide.
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Re: E body rotor upgrade
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09/20/23 12:09 AM
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I don't see a lot of "upgrade" with that kit for the OP other than being new, a drilled option, and fancy colors. The standard upgrade forever and ever was to the 11.75 rotor and a single piston, preferably with the pin type caliper. The 3/4 inch less should be more than offset by the 4 piston. Personally I’d go with the slotted and not drilled. I’m not sure what you’re seeing as being deficient.
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Re: E body rotor upgrade
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09/20/23 08:55 AM
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Well, the 4 piston vs 3/4" vs 12.19" is only a math problem. I mentioned the "drilled" option because personally that is not a real upgrade, which also includes the "fancy colors". So, the issue becomes here for the OP, is the Baer a real "upgrade" and if any, is it a worthy one? Not that I can see.
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Re: E body rotor upgrade
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09/20/23 01:40 PM
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I suppose it depends on what you are looking for. It’s undoubtedly lighter, has pad selection you’ll be hard pressed to find with stock stuff, and rotors I’ve not heard complaints on. When I first did the 11.75 swap in the 90s, you could walk in any store and get quality Canada rotors with ease. I got the drums working better on my car so I passed on any swap. Still might have to as drums are in the same situation as stock rotors- lots of junk or spendy NOS. Depends on what you’re doing with the car as to what will work for you.
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