E body rotor upgrade

I currently have the 11.75 brake setup installed on my cuda, but the rotors that I got with the kit are cheap made in China rotors, so while I'm putting the front suspension back together, I'm considering changing them for piece of mind. Which brand are the best to go with? Also, I've seen wilwood makes a 12.19" setup that they claim will fit under a 15" wheel that I was considering. I'm not sure if they will hold up to street driving, or if they're race only. Would there be a noticeable difference between the 11.75 and the 12.19" setups? I'm just looking for the best possible braking with 15" wheels. Thanks for the help.

How about adding dual rotors and calipers on the rear end?
Also the type of linings used can make a really big difference in how the cars stops : work:

I just put a new Dana 60 in the car that came with the same wilwood rear disc kit for the back of the car.

You might see if EBC sells the 11.75. They are made in England. Only place I know of that makes things someplace other than at our enemies.

In the past year I’ve looked with considerable interest in the Baer setup. Requires 15s so you are ahead there. I have 14s with newish rubber so it balloons the cost, plus I like my oem look so I’m going to pass for now. There is a video on YouTube by mopar connection about the install.

I'm a huge EBC fan.
Everything is forged in Italy or England, and machined in England.

I tried looking up EBC rotors on their website, but couldn't find any.

"upgrade" here is rather unlimited and subjective. On rotors you have 4.5 typical upgrade options, Diameter, thickness, material, fins, and mounting. Diameter choice is based on wheel chosen and budget. Thickness is based mainly on budget and application, thicker being more robust and then fin count and design (direction) of rotor cooling fins, material is the very standard almost universally cast iron, Titanium and CF, both relatively extremely expensive, but significantly lighter, etc, and lastly mounting, integral mounting hub (cheapest/common), separate alum? rotor mounting hat, and a floating rotor style, double the cost but the ideal set-up for repeated braking helps with kick back issues.
Best bang for buck IMO is Wilwood CI 12.19" 48+ fin 1.25", alum hat, with 4 or 6 piston caliper in front, forget the rears btw, but use an adjustable brake pressure valve to fine tune F/R balance after making calculated choices above.

I don't think there is a high quality 11.75 rotor available anymore. The best ones used to be the OEM rotors made in Canada. Those were available until roughly the year 2000. Since then it has just been junk. The Chinese junk works okay for a daily driver as long as you aren't making a lot of power and pushing triple digit speeds.

I upgrade any car I build to 13 inch rotors with Brembo calipers but most people don't want to go to that effort since it is a fairly complicated project. I had Viper brakes on my Duster and those worked great. I run Porsche twin turbo brakes on my '65 Coronet.

I'd love to have a 13" setup, however I want to stick with 15" wheels, so I'm very limited as far as true .performance brake kits. Wilwood seem to be the only ones that will fit with 15" wheels. I was looking into the setup suggested by jcc above. Would the swap to the 12.19 and 6 piston dynapros over the 11.75 and wilwood dynalites be worth it? Just looking to get the best braking possible.

IMO, yes, it would be a worthy improvement, but one thing very important to be decided, as tires vary greatly in their performance, but they all do the same thing, you have nearly a dozen choices for the pads. and they vary as much as tires do, luckily, they are easy to change but are not costly. Don't forget here, brakes stop the wheel. tires stop the car.

Are the rotors warped out of the box? The 11 3/4" one-piece rotors I have on both my A & E bodies work great for my needs. I generally don't race on a track, other than at Willow Springs before Spring Fling. These rotors have held up well for years. I use the brake pads available from Firm Feel in both cars, and I am happy with them.

Most people don't push their cars very hard, but I enjoy the performance they are capable of. It's not often I stretch their legs to more than 150 mph, but even at those speeds the brakes we are talking about have never faded. I did have an incident where a new car slammed on the brakes in front of me for people trying to J-walk across a freeway, and I almost hit her due to my front wheels locking.

Rotors and brakes are relatively easy to get to and change, so I'd consider spending the $ on other things until you find out if what you have will work for your needs. Drive it enjoy it and find out first hand if you need more brake.

The rotors aren't warped or anything. I only have about 100 miles on them, but I'm not impressed with the brakes on the car at all. I don't think I could even lock them up if I tried. It's not dangerous to drive the car, but in an emergency situation, I don't feel confident with them. Im just looking to get the best possible brakes with my setup. I could always sell the existing parts and put it towards a new kit.

If you can't lock up your brakes with a factory 11.75 system then you have a problem. Hard to say what the problem is in an old car since it could be most anything. Most likely the wrong master cylinder but it could be a bad prop valve, a bad caliper, wrong pads, rear brakes not working at all, etc. The factory 11.75 setup is heavy and clunky, but it worked well enough that cop cars used it for years. If you have the big rear drums out back then the 11.75 front brakes work just fine.

I agree. It’s not your rotors.youve got problems elsewhere.

I figured something else was wrong with the system, so I've already swapped out the master cylinder and proportioning valve. It had a parts store remanufactured master cylinder on it with an unknown bore size, so I went with one of the new wilwood mopar 4 bolt compact master cylinders with their recommended 15/16" bore size. I also just installed a new Dana 60 that came with the 12.19" wilwood rear disc kit, so that will rule out any possibility with the original rear drum brakes that were on it.

From what I've read, the 4 piston wilwood calipers that it has on it now has a piston area of 4.81" sq. and the 6 piston calipers that come with the 12.19" kit are 5.06" sq. This should be a pretty big difference with the larger rotors and more surface area with the calipers correct?

But Andy's point mentioned here if one is able to lock the brakes, you have enough brake power, just not enough tire has a lot of merit.

Ability to lock the brakes with a cold rotor and a hot rotor are often vastly different. Brake fade.

That can be mitigated by pad material choice to some extent this is why race pads don;t work till they warm up, additional cooling can help. Larger rotors extends the time it takes to get that hot.

If you ever look at Nascar rotors, they glow red under braking but they don't fade, materials choice.

The point remains, you can lock the brakes, or you cannot, and no matter what the situation, driving down Pikes Peak or pulling a semi, the conclusion is the still same.

I agree with his statement and understand what he's saying about another issue if the brakes are as bad as they are. I should have worded my posts differently. I know the rotors aren't the cause of my problems, I believe it's the unknown parts store remanufactured master cylinder on it so I bought one of the new wilwood mopar master cylinders. I was just concerned about quality issues with these being cheap rotors. At this point, Instead of buying better rotors, and as Andy stated earlier, they're pretty much all cheap quality in this size anymore, I'm just considering buying the bigger kit and being done with it. As a benefit, I should have better braking too with the larger rotors and 6 piston calipers vs 4 piston calipers. Plus the lighter weight of the wilwood rotors are another benefit. The opinions on wilwoods brakes seem to vary between love and hate, but I'm very limited with 15" wheels and I don't see any other options with brembo, baer etc.

Somethings not right. My 70 Hemi Cuda can throw you through the windshield with factory disc - drum brakes?

As I posted early on, Baer does make a kit for use with 15s.

I'll check again, but I couldn't find any for 15" wheels. Only 17 and bigger

12.19" is considered the normal max for 15", but caliper size/design and the same for the wheel are important factors at play.

https://baer.com/11-Front-SS4-Brake-System-4141063.html

Thanks for the link

I don't see a lot of "upgrade" with that kit for the OP other than being new, a drilled option, and fancy colors.

The OP stated he couldn't find a Baer kit meant for 15" wheels, I provided a link to the kit.

Is it worth the money? That's up to the OP to decide.

The standard upgrade forever and ever was to the 11.75 rotor and a single piston, preferably with the pin type caliper. The 3/4 inch less should be more than offset by the 4 piston. Personally I’d go with the slotted and not drilled. I’m not sure what you’re seeing as being deficient.

Well, the 4 piston vs 3/4" vs 12.19" is only a math problem. I mentioned the "drilled" option because personally that is not a real upgrade, which also includes the "fancy colors". So, the issue becomes here for the OP, is the Baer a real "upgrade" and if any, is it a worthy one?
Not that I can see.

I suppose it depends on what you are looking for. It’s undoubtedly lighter, has pad selection you’ll be hard pressed to find with stock stuff, and rotors I’ve not heard complaints on. When I first did the 11.75 swap in the 90s, you could walk in any store and get quality Canada rotors with ease. I got the drums working better on my car so I passed on any swap. Still might have to as drums are in the same situation as stock rotors- lots of junk or spendy NOS. Depends on what you’re doing with the car as to what will work for you.