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Small Tire Car Question #3172021
09/01/23 09:52 AM
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We don't get a ton of small tire stuff around here, but I have a question or two:

What is the biggest size still considered small tire? I am guessing its a 325 radial? What is the biggest slick typically legal in small tire? And do you have to run two different style shocks or suspension setups to go from slicks to radials?


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Re: Small Tire Car Question [Re: Dragula] #3172030
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Almost all places (except for Oklahoma, from what I understand) consider a 275/60/15 radial or a 28x10.5 non-W small tire. Some of the daily driver type classes will allow a larger metric tire, only if they're on a 17" or larger rim. My car has a 295/65/15 and has to race in big tire everywhere because it's 20mm too wide.

Radials require a different suspension setup, they like to be planted with separation and need to dead hook, and need tighter compression settings.


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Re: Small Tire Car Question [Re: Blusmbl] #3172033
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Originally Posted by Blusmbl
Almost all places (except for Oklahoma, from what I understand) consider a 275/60/15 radial or a 28x10.5 non-W small tire. Some of the daily driver type classes will allow a larger metric tire, only if they're on a 17" or larger rim. My car has a 295/65/15 and has to race in big tire everywhere because it's 20mm too wide.

Radials require a different suspension setup, they like to be planted with separation and need to dead hook, and need tighter compression settings.


This in Indiana also. True 10.5 races used to be 29.5x10.5 but since the 275 classes gained popularity everything has gone to 28x10.5

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Re: Small Tire Car Question [Re: fbs63] #3172098
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What they said. Be careful of the height if going the 10.5 route.

Most I've seen in the past seems to follow this, they still say 29 tall (for now), but it's changing.

https://thenoprepnationals.com/rules/



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275 or 28x10.5 as the others have said. NO W's! That's "W" has been a source of contention at a few events... grin


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Re: Small Tire Car Question [Re: GY3] #3172102
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Before you travel this road and start buying parts. Read the rules very carefully for the class as some mods will not be allowed


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Re: Small Tire Car Question [Re: ZIPPY] #3172127
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So many tracks or org's have different classes based on car build, type of racing event and tires.

There are dudes FLYING now on 235 drag radials, or 26x8.5 slicks.

Shocks are another story......several companies can design/build shocks for class rule specifics and/or personal purpose.


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Re: Small Tire Car Question [Re: pittsburghracer] #3172128
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Originally Posted by pittsburghracer



Before you travel this road and start buying parts. Read the rules very carefully for the class as some mods will not be allowed


Excellent advice.


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Re: Small Tire Car Question [Re: EvilB1Dart] #3172141
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Re: Small Tire Car Question [Re: Dragula] #3172233
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Around here nothing bigger than a 275/15 or a 28 X10.5 non W, a 325 will put you in big tire. Then there is the 235, 26 X 8 class, we don't see many here though.

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Originally Posted by justinp61
Around here nothing bigger than a 275/15 or a 28 X10.5 non W, a 325 will put you in big tire. Then there is the 235, 26 X 8 class, we don't see many here though.

iagree Same here. I run a 295-65 radial and there are a lot of classes my car doesn't fit b/c of the tire. I'd put a 275-60 on my car if it didn't look ridiculously small. It hooks fine on the smaller tire, just looks stupid to me. twocents Even a lot of the street car classes won't allow anything bigger than a 275 or 28x10.5, which I think makes no sense. Like my 295-65 makes it a pro mod or something?
Occasionally you'll see a class specifically for cars on a 295 or 29.5x10.5 slick, but they are few and far between.
There are SOOO many options for a 275-60 or 28x10.5 tire car that I'd be hard pressed to set up a car for anything else.


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Re: Small Tire Car Question [Re: an8sec70cuda] #3173125
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Originally Posted by an8sec70cuda
Originally Posted by justinp61
Around here nothing bigger than a 275/15 or a 28 X10.5 non W, a 325 will put you in big tire. Then there is the 235, 26 X 8 class, we don't see many here though.

iagree Same here. I run a 295-65 radial and there are a lot of classes my car doesn't fit b/c of the tire. I'd put a 275-60 on my car if it didn't look ridiculously small. It hooks fine on the smaller tire, just looks stupid to me. twocents Even a lot of the street car classes won't allow anything bigger than a 275 or 28x10.5, which I think makes no sense. Like my 295-65 makes it a pro mod or something?
Occasionally you'll see a class specifically for cars on a 295 or 29.5x10.5 slick, but they are few and far between.
There are SOOO many options for a 275-60 or 28x10.5 tire car that I'd be hard pressed to set up a car for anything else.


Same for my car. I set it up to run 315's. It sits low already. With 28's it look ridiculous. Especially, with it stretched on to a 12" wheel.


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For you guys that have gone from these “small” tires to larger or vice versa, how much ET difference between the two?

Re: Small Tire Car Question [Re: A727Tflite] #3173267
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Originally Posted by A727Tflite
For you guys that have gone from these “small” tires to larger or vice versa, how much ET difference between the two?

No real difference on my car b/t the 275-60 (28x10) and the 295-65 (30x10.5).


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'90 Chevy 454SS Silverado, 476" BBC, TH400, 14 bolt
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