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Re: Location for Accusump [Re: topside] #3171605 08/30/23 11:55 AM 08/30/23 11:55 AM
Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 202 Illinois gearhead01 OP enthusiast
gearhead01 OP enthusiast Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 202 Illinois	The Canton valve kit was $229 through my local speed shop. Included the valve, switch, wire, terminals, nipple (1/2" NPT) and a plug for the pressure switch (if you are not using it). Like said, there are a lot of parts that can be sourced from commercial vendors. John 1971 Satellite Sebring Plus - 14.46 @ 95.43 1977 Road Runner - N/B 11.02@ 119 Drag Radials

Re: Location for Accusump [Re: Streetwize] #3171644 08/30/23 01:30 PM 08/30/23 01:30 PM
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jcc If you can't dazzle em with diamonds.. J Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 22,696 Bitopia	Originally Posted by Streetwize Im not sure the distance really matters as an accumulator is a charged headspace in the running oil circuit so it should be constantly "on duty" and it should dampen even minute fluctuations in oil pressure. Never heard that comment before. Do they even exist in a positive displacement pressurized system any way, do they matter if so, other that interruption in supply, which is the main task of the accumulator? With EFI, your point would IMO have a lot of merit, where a smooth supply is a plus. Reality check, that half the population is smarter then 50% of the people and it's a constantly contested fact.

Re: Location for Accusump [Re: moparacer] #3171645 08/30/23 01:33 PM 08/30/23 01:33 PM
Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 22,696 Bitopia J jcc If you can't dazzle em with diamonds..
jcc If you can't dazzle em with diamonds.. J Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 22,696 Bitopia	Originally Posted by moparacer One thing to consider. You should mount it somewhere that is fairly easy to access so it can be removed and cleaned during oil changes. I pull my Moroso off and clean it every change. Other than peace of mind, does it collect enough of what you don't want to make the task worthwhile? Reality check, that half the population is smarter then 50% of the people and it's a constantly contested fact.

Re: Location for Accusump [Re: jcc] #3171647 08/30/23 01:37 PM 08/30/23 01:37 PM
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Cab_Burge I Win C Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 43,129 Bend,OR USA	You have to feed it after the oil has gone through the pump and filter, correct I'm sure it can't hurt to take it apart now and then and look at what has collected inside of it and clean it up, I wouldn't do it after every oil change unless it had a part fail like spinning a rod bearing or some other metal making failure that would contaminate the oil It's your choice Mr.Cab Racing and winning with Mopars since 1964. (Old F--t, Huh)

Re: Location for Accusump [Re: Cab_Burge] #3171671 08/30/23 02:41 PM 08/30/23 02:41 PM
Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 8,241 fredericksburg,va C cudaman1969 master
cudaman1969 master C Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 8,241 fredericksburg,va	Originally Posted by Cab_Burge You have to feed it after the oil has gone through the pump and filter, correct I'm sure it can't hurt to take it apart now and then and look at what has collected inside of it and clean it up, I wouldn't do it after every oil change unless it had a part fail like spinning a rod bearing or some other metal making failure that would contaminate the oil It's your choice Which won’t make much difference in a race engine for the 8-11 second run, if something breaks an oil filter is useless, the engine is toast.

Re: Location for Accusump [Re: cudaman1969] #3171758 08/30/23 08:24 PM 08/30/23 08:24 PM
Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 8,869 Ontario, Canada S Stanton Don't question me!
Stanton Don't question me! S Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 8,869 Ontario, Canada	Quote One thing to consider. You should mount it somewhere that is fairly easy to access so it can be removed and cleaned during oil changes. I pull my Moroso off and clean it every change. I'd be more concerned about what's in the pan than what managed to find its way into the accumulator!

Re: Location for Accusump [Re: Stanton] #3171766 08/30/23 08:43 PM 08/30/23 08:43 PM
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jcc If you can't dazzle em with diamonds.. J Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 22,696 Bitopia	Maybe he drops his pan every oil change? Reality check, that half the population is smarter then 50% of the people and it's a constantly contested fact.

Re: Location for Accusump [Re: Stanton] #3171771 08/30/23 08:50 PM 08/30/23 08:50 PM
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gearhead01 OP enthusiast Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 202 Illinois	For an engine failure, both Canton and Moroso say the Accusump or Accumulator need to be cleaned, flushed, or sent back for cleaning or rebuild. John 1971 Satellite Sebring Plus - 14.46 @ 95.43 1977 Road Runner - N/B 11.02@ 119 Drag Radials

Re: Location for Accusump [Re: cudaman1969] #3171778 08/30/23 09:42 PM 08/30/23 09:42 PM
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6PKRTSE master 6 Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 4,564 Motor City	Mine is mounted on the core support in front of my rad and trans cooler. Behind the front bumper. I use it for a pre-luber and as an Accusump as intended. 1963 Belvedere 440 Max Wedge Tribute 1970 Charger R/T S.E. 440 Six Pack 1970 Challenger R/T, 528 Hemi 1970 Charger 500 S.E. 440 4 BBL 1970 Plymouth Road Runner 383 1974 Chrysler New Yorker 440 1996 2500 RAM 488 V-10 4X4 2004 3500 Dually Cummins 4x4 2012 Challenger R/T Classic.

Re: Location for Accusump [Re: AndyF] #3171809 08/31/23 06:35 AM 08/31/23 06:35 AM
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TRENDZ master T Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 2,540 Milwaukee WI	Originally Posted by AndyF Inside the car is illegal in NHRA but legal in NASCAR and SCCA. NASCAR runs the dry sump tank behind the driver's seat but NHRA doesn't allow liquids in the driver compartment. We hung the accusump on the rollcage inside the cabin on Tim's road race Valiant and that was fine with the road race tech guys but NHRA wouldn't allow it. I will say that you don't want an aluminum tube full of hot oil inside the car on a street car. It is just like having a big heater sitting in the cabin with you. After 30 minutes or so the tank will be 180 degrees and the car will smell like hot oil! I haven’t looked at an nhra rulebook in a long time on this. It seems that I see a whole bunch of cars with intercooler tanks or n2o bottles on the passenger floor. I don’t remember ever seeing a requirement for isolator lines on oil gauges. (fuel gauges- yes) The last time I had the car recertification was way back when… maybe 2006 or so. The inspector said he didn’t like it. He also said there wasn’t a rule against it, and suggested I move it. As for heating being an issue, I never felt anything more than a warm sensation that you would be able to rest your hand on for as long as you wanted after beating up on the car a bunch. It isn’t a flow through system. Unless you have some really screwed up oiling problems, the accumulator doesn’t have a continuous heat source. I used mine for engine safety on extreme decel with my rear sump pan, so a full oil dump was rarely done. That car had a lot af street miles and never once had any issues with in cabin leaks or temperatures. The only picture I have just barely shoes the ball valve handle for an idea of its location/ proximity to me. "use it 'till it breaks, replace as needed"

Re: Location for Accusump [Re: 6PKRTSE] #3171810 08/31/23 07:19 AM 08/31/23 07:19 AM
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Tig master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,915 A shed in England	Mines mounted under the radiator, first few wheelies I was accused of running N2O Used for priming and as an accumulator. It doesn't get hot, if everything is working correct there is minimal oil flow during normal running. I use a manual cable operated lever, I always try to remember to build some oil pressure and close the valve each time the engine is shut off so I can prime it on the next start. According to Canton, it hold's about 2 quarts with 10 psi air pressure, though there's likely a quart in the lines just to get to the engine as we also use a remote oil filter. '74 Challenger..9.46 @ 145.9 1/4, 6.001 @ 118 1/8 so far. 4023lb !!! # N/A, Marsh performance 655ci, Indy Maxx, T/R, Indy 600-13 X's, Street legal, pump gas, full interior, Cal-Tracs, mufflers, 3:73's and real 10.5 radials. 9.51 @ 142.4 1/4, 6.003 @ 114 1/8 with our old mule KB, 572-13, 580 wedge. RHD '68 Barracuda Fastback 323ci street/strip. Best ET 13.88 @ 99.03

Re: Location for Accusump [Re: Tig] #3171814 08/31/23 08:53 AM 08/31/23 08:53 AM
Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 8,869 Ontario, Canada S Stanton Don't question me!
Stanton Don't question me! S Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 8,869 Ontario, Canada	Do they need to be horizontal ??

Re: Location for Accusump [Re: Stanton] #3171816 08/31/23 09:00 AM 08/31/23 09:00 AM
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jcc If you can't dazzle em with diamonds.. J Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 22,696 Bitopia	That IMO is a good question. I think the concern would be if there is any trapped air in the system, one would not likely want it to be the first displacement back into the system when oil pressure was dropping, being on its side or the plumbing exit being on the bottom would seem to prevent/mitigate that. Reality check, that half the population is smarter then 50% of the people and it's a constantly contested fact.

Re: Location for Accusump [Re: Stanton] #3171826 08/31/23 09:31 AM 08/31/23 09:31 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,915 A shed in England Tig master
Tig master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,915 A shed in England	Originally Posted by Stanton Do they need to be horizontal ?? According to the Canton installation instructions it can be mounted in any position. But, if the O/P can be mounted slightly higher then it is better due to the reasons mentioned Last edited by Tig; 08/31/23 09:37 AM. '74 Challenger..9.46 @ 145.9 1/4, 6.001 @ 118 1/8 so far. 4023lb !!! # N/A, Marsh performance 655ci, Indy Maxx, T/R, Indy 600-13 X's, Street legal, pump gas, full interior, Cal-Tracs, mufflers, 3:73's and real 10.5 radials. 9.51 @ 142.4 1/4, 6.003 @ 114 1/8 with our old mule KB, 572-13, 580 wedge. RHD '68 Barracuda Fastback 323ci street/strip. Best ET 13.88 @ 99.03

Re: Location for Accusump [Re: jcc] #3171833 08/31/23 10:09 AM 08/31/23 10:09 AM
Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 2,497 PA moparacer top fuel
moparacer top fuel Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 2,497 PA	Originally Posted by jcc Originally Posted by moparacer One thing to consider. You should mount it somewhere that is fairly easy to access so it can be removed and cleaned during oil changes. I pull my Moroso off and clean it every change. Other than peace of mind, does it collect enough of what you don't want to make the task worthwhile? Yes. And I don't know about the others but all you need to clean the Moroso is a big set of snap ring pliers. Been cleaning my Moroso 3 quart for Oh, about 23 years lol. I wouldn't run one if it had to be sent away to be cleaned. Last edited by moparacer; 08/31/23 10:10 AM. 67 Barracuda street/bracket car 11.27-119 68 Dart 502 BB 8.70s-152 414 cid SB Dragster 7.65-174

Re: Location for Accusump [Re: TRENDZ] #3171924 08/31/23 06:15 PM 08/31/23 06:15 PM
Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 8,241 fredericksburg,va C cudaman1969 master
cudaman1969 master C Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 8,241 fredericksburg,va	Originally Posted by TRENDZ Originally Posted by AndyF Inside the car is illegal in NHRA but legal in NASCAR and SCCA. NASCAR runs the dry sump tank behind the driver's seat but NHRA doesn't allow liquids in the driver compartment. We hung the accusump on the rollcage inside the cabin on Tim's road race Valiant and that was fine with the road race tech guys but NHRA wouldn't allow it. I will say that you don't want an aluminum tube full of hot oil inside the car on a street car. It is just like having a big heater sitting in the cabin with you. After 30 minutes or so the tank will be 180 degrees and the car will smell like hot oil! I haven’t looked at an nhra rulebook in a long time on this. It seems that I see a whole bunch of cars with intercooler tanks or n2o bottles on the passenger floor. I don’t remember ever seeing a requirement for isolator lines on oil gauges. (fuel gauges- yes) The last time I had the car recertification was way back when… maybe 2006 or so. The inspector said he didn’t like it. He also said there wasn’t a rule against it, and suggested I move it. As for heating being an issue, I never felt anything more than a warm sensation that you would be able to rest your hand on for as long as you wanted after beating up on the car a bunch. It isn’t a flow through system. Unless you have some really screwed up oiling problems, the accumulator doesn’t have a continuous heat source. I used mine for engine safety on extreme decel with my rear sump pan, so a full oil dump was rarely done. That car had a lot af street miles and never once had any issues with in cabin leaks or temperatures. The only picture I have just barely shoes the ball valve handle for an idea of its location/ proximity to me. A cage inspector can only inspect a cage for thickness, placement and tigged if CM, has no authority to determine anything else.

Re: Location for Accusump [Re: cudaman1969] #3171960 08/31/23 09:27 PM 08/31/23 09:27 PM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 43,129 Bend,OR USA C Cab_Burge I Win
Cab_Burge I Win C Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 43,129 Bend,OR USA	I don't think anyone needs to worry about the NHRA tech certifying a car race cage away from the track, the local track tech are my worries Mr.Cab Racing and winning with Mopars since 1964. (Old F--t, Huh)

Re: Location for Accusump [Re: cudaman1969] #3172004 09/01/23 08:01 AM 09/01/23 08:01 AM
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TRENDZ master T Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 2,540 Milwaukee WI	Originally Posted by cudaman1969 Originally Posted by TRENDZ Originally Posted by AndyF Inside the car is illegal in NHRA but legal in NASCAR and SCCA. NASCAR runs the dry sump tank behind the driver's seat but NHRA doesn't allow liquids in the driver compartment. We hung the accusump on the rollcage inside the cabin on Tim's road race Valiant and that was fine with the road race tech guys but NHRA wouldn't allow it. I will say that you don't want an aluminum tube full of hot oil inside the car on a street car. It is just like having a big heater sitting in the cabin with you. After 30 minutes or so the tank will be 180 degrees and the car will smell like hot oil! I haven’t looked at an nhra rulebook in a long time on this. It seems that I see a whole bunch of cars with intercooler tanks or n2o bottles on the passenger floor. I don’t remember ever seeing a requirement for isolator lines on oil gauges. (fuel gauges- yes) The last time I had the car recertification was way back when… maybe 2006 or so. The inspector said he didn’t like it. He also said there wasn’t a rule against it, and suggested I move it. As for heating being an issue, I never felt anything more than a warm sensation that you would be able to rest your hand on for as long as you wanted after beating up on the car a bunch. It isn’t a flow through system. Unless you have some really screwed up oiling problems, the accumulator doesn’t have a continuous heat source. I used mine for engine safety on extreme decel with my rear sump pan, so a full oil dump was rarely done. That car had a lot af street miles and never once had any issues with in cabin leaks or temperatures. The only picture I have just barely shoes the ball valve handle for an idea of its location/ proximity to me. A cage inspector can only inspect a cage for thickness, placement and tigged if CM, has no authority to determine anything else. The NHRA cage inspector is an NHRA tech inspector… I wasn’t saying my cage would have failed cage inspection because of the accumulator. I guess I see how you thought that was my point. Bottom line… he was a tech inspector and what he said(at that time) was it was not against the rules. As Andy mentioned that may have changed in the years since, but that doesn’t explain how people have the previous mentioned liquids in the driver compartment "use it 'till it breaks, replace as needed"

Re: Location for Accusump [Re: TRENDZ] #3172016 09/01/23 09:28 AM 09/01/23 09:28 AM
Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 8,241 fredericksburg,va C cudaman1969 master
cudaman1969 master C Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 8,241 fredericksburg,va	Agree, I wouldn’t want fluids in driver area either. Murphy’s law

Re: Location for Accusump [Re: cudaman1969] #3172024 09/01/23 10:22 AM 09/01/23 10:22 AM
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jcc If you can't dazzle em with diamonds.. J Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 22,696 Bitopia	Originally Posted by cudaman1969 Agree, I wouldn’t want fluids in driver area either. Murphy’s law Fair enough, but at the same time IMO many are oddly fine with an open face helmet, no Hans, no full containment seat, no fire suppression system, etc NHRA IMO does not allow fluids inside the passenger compartment because it does not trust competitors to do it safely, correctly, and/or for it to be supervised properly. SCCA , Nascar, etc evidently does not have that same concern for cars with significantly much longer on track time of use wheel to wheel. To each their own. Reality check, that half the population is smarter then 50% of the people and it's a constantly contested fact.

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