Is there off the shelf 400 stroker piston with smaller rings
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I know a guy wanting to build a 4.150 or 4.250 stroke 400 block engine. I've looked at Scat and 440 Source stroker kits. I would like smaller (more modern) rings like .043/.043/2mm or 1.2/1.2/2mm. Does anybody make an off-the-shelf piston for these motors like that? I know Diamond will make customs, but $$$. Thanks.
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Re: Is there off the shelf 400 stroker piston with smaller rings
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I know a guy wanting to build a 4.150 or 4.250 stroke 400 block engine. I've looked at Scat and 440 Source stroker kits. I would like smaller (more modern) rings like .043/.043/2mm or 1.2/1.2/2mm. Does anybody make an off-the-shelf piston for these motors like that? I know Diamond will make customs, but $$$. Thanks. Diamond used to do a one or 2 changes to a shelf stock for a small upcharge, I guess that is not the case anymore ?
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I would try RaceTec pistons. They are extremely easy to deal with and have a lot of stuff available that may not be in the online catalog and will make a few minor changes with no or low upcharge.
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Re: Is there off the shelf 400 stroker piston with smaller rings
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Mahle uses a metric ring stack. S/F....Ken M I've heard of those. They look like the best of off-the-shelf so far.
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I really liked the -12.5cc dish, 1.32 CH piston that Diamond sells for the 400 with a 4.25" crank. Unfortunately the price has nearly doubled in ten years.
My current go to is Mahle and thankfully the 2023 catalog lists 1.320 CH offerings. The only dish piston I see listed is stock 440 CH.
Also of note is that Mahle makes a gas nitrided steel top ring that is sold only as a top ring package to go with the 2nd/oil ring provided in with the piston kits. This saves $100+ over buying a complete set of hellfire rings.
Here is the 2021 Mahle ( pronounced mah-la) offerings for mopars
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Re: Is there off the shelf 400 stroker piston with smaller rings
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In comparison here is the 2023 mopar section. All B and RB pistons are 1.5/1.5/3.0mm
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What I don't get with nearly all Mahle pistons is that they yield a way too high compression ratio for pump gas if building a stroker. The only option is to use iron heads with 88+ cc chambers. They completely ignore all engines that use modern aluminum cylinder heads which have combustion chambers between 72 and 84cc.
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In comparison here is the 2023 mopar section. All B and RB pistons are 1.5/1.5/3.0mm That 1.320 is a great CH for the low deck ... to me anyway ... you can use it with multiple strokes all the way up to 4.25 with just a rod change. That's a great street piston , would be nice if they made it as a flat top to get a little more squeeze ...
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What I don't get with nearly all Mahle pistons is that they yield a way too high compression ratio for pump gas. The only option is to use iron heads with 88+ cc chambers. They completely ignore all engines that use modern aluminum cylinder heads which have combustion chambers between 72 and 84cc. What is too a high compression ratio for you in Europe, I don't really see an issue with 10/11 with a good closed chamber design aluminum head here in the states , I could run something like that all day on 93 ?
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Thanks for everyones ideas. The Mahle looks the best off-the-shelf but the ring spacer idea sounds good too. I'll check the Diamond price but I've got a bad feeling about that. I'll look at these ideas. Thanks
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I'd call Racetec. They'll give you options for minimal cost. Or, just buy the Mahles as they have clear advantages in a shelf piston. I don't think you can go wrong either way. Diamond is going to be quite a bit more expensive. https://www.lsxceleration.com/search.php?search_query=Mahle+pistons§ion=product ofttimes has deals on Mahle pistons for the LS guys(I got a smokin' deal on two sets I bought there) I'd call them with the Mahle part umber and the best price you've found and see if they'll beat it. Great no BS shop.
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