Re: Factory Fender Tags
[Re: A12]
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07/17/23 12:04 PM
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These threads are intriguing to follow and shed light on a myriad of activities coordinating owner, dealer, orders, bookkeeping, parts inventory, manufacturing, assembly, inspection and transit to the purchaser. I have paperwork from a 1968 ordered 6 26 67 with an order # 109529. SPD on tag is 929 and a "tentative" invoice dated 9 22 67. A second "firm" invoice is dated 10 27 67 has a slight price adjustment of some options . Broadcast sheet is not available. This was a St Louis car. Original owner says there was a delay in delivery by lack of some parts availibility. The order form has a second hand written date 10 12 67. I have no means to verify if that is the day the car was complete, and no way to know why the firm date is several days after the spd and the tentative invoice date. I agree the metal tag was conducive to fabrication durability. I've seen reports the tag was originally wired to the firewall windshield component at the body was fabricated and moved to the inner fender after body in white was complete. Was this when the inspector stamp was punched? and tag bent up just prior to coat and paint? Undoubtedly (more than one?) broadcast sheets were scattered about the car (almost certainly after paint (I've never seen one with primer or body color paint overspray) and how did so many get mixed up about cars without creating errors is surprising. There was certainly a lot of variables as "fleet cars" and "special packages" were run and then then the cars built to purchaser spec were certainly watched over to reduce errors.
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Re: Factory Fender Tags
[Re: A12]
#3160293
07/17/23 02:33 PM
07/17/23 02:33 PM
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Alaskan_TA
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the Date of Manufacture should by Federal law be the very last thing to be put on Which was at the end of the line, just as I said. ;-)
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Re: Factory Fender Tags
[Re: Alaskan_TA]
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07/17/23 03:14 PM
07/17/23 03:14 PM
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the Date of Manufacture should by Federal law be the very last thing to be put on Which was at the end of the line, just as I said. ;-) I could argue that point but won't Mike
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Re: Factory Fender Tags
[Re: Alaskan_TA]
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07/17/23 04:28 PM
07/17/23 04:28 PM
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I do not see why you would when we seem to agree?
The Mylar printers was at the end of the line, the stickers were put on right before the cars were driven out of the plant. Yes and I absolutely agree with you that usually and 99.99% of the time the FMVSS compliance decal was put on at the end of the assembly line BUT from my experience dealing with the DOT, NHTSA, EPA, CPSC, and just about every federal regulatory agency here and in Canada there is a chance of that not being the case. As I explained about the vehicle leaving the factory with a date of manufacture compliance label current at that time and a certain component delayed (item on the vehicle was not in compliance with new regulations) this meant that the compliance label did not match the actual date of final manufacture. When the correct complying component was installed that was the new date of FINAL manufacture. Take the Daytona and Superbird for example they rolled off of the end of the Chrysler assembly line on at best on or near the fender tag Scheduled Production Date (SPD) but that was not the point of final manufacture. Another example would be my '69 GTX with a SPD of C16/Dec 16, 1968. Let's say I ordered it and didn't want the head restraints or spend the money for them. Now there's a delay in manufacturing and it does reach the end of the assembly line and gets pushed to a holding area (done many times, even with the A12 cars) awaiting the final pieces, parts and doesn't get finished until the first week of January 1969. Guess what I get free head restraints that are mandatory as of January 01, 1969. Yes I'm being anal and splitting hairs but by Federal law that FMVSS Date of Manufacture compliance label can't be installed until FINAL manufacturing is completely completed. The Monroney Label (window sticker) also has to be changed and updated to reflect the standard head restraints. Just saying this because of the legal battle a while back on "The Last XXXX Manufactured" noting both the VIN and the date of manufacture on the FMVSS compliance label. Date of Manufacture trumps VIN sequence if done to the letter of the regulation or FEDERAL LAW. I was not going to have new DoM FMVSS labels made or change this label on several hundred vehicles with our situation until I was ordered to by our legal department and informed about the consequences in fines and jail time for non-compliance with a FEDERAL SAFETY regulation. The FMVSS compliance label by law is to be installed on the day of FINAL manufacture usually at the end of the assembly line which is not always the case where and when that is. I'm out of breath, Mike
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Re: Factory Fender Tags
[Re: Moparite]
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07/22/23 10:32 AM
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Not a good example, since my '69 Barracuda torque boxes were hand welded off line.
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Re: Factory Fender Tags
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08/14/23 06:20 PM
08/14/23 06:20 PM
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Interesting thread. I'll chime in and say, that my father was near the very beginning of the process. His department created vin#'s. That is all he did the entire time he worked for Chrysler Corporation (the og company). From 1963 to the end of 1985, when he was terminally ill, and could not work anymore, due to his impending death...in early 1986 at the age of 49. He started out at Highland Park (headquarters), then was transferred to an office complex in Hamtramck after a number of years. Then after moving up the ladder, his final assignment was at O.D.M.T.C. Outer Drive near 8 mile, as the 3rd shift supervisor. His department used the (now ancient) IBM tab computers to generate V.I.N.#'s for vehicles. I still have blank cards, that have keypunches in them, from the computers, he programmed...his title was Shift Supervisor/lead computer programming. In 1984 they had a "family day" where employees could invite family in and take a personal tour of the plant. I'll always remember that day with my dad, showing me and my younger brother, his workplace... just a great memory. Thanks Dad!
Edit: this pic is of a work shirt from the plant my dad worked at. I found it at a local Detroit Mopar swap meet many years ago. He didn't wear this type of shirt, he had to wear a tie and button down shirt, since he was in management.
Last edited by RoadRunnerLuva; 08/24/23 12:46 PM.
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