Crappy design on a Mopar
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06/23/23 06:45 AM
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BadMoonRacer
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I would like to hear the argument for the aluminium lined wheel lugs on late Chargers with factory hubcaps. What a crappy design! These are mine, after I wrestled them off. Converting to another set of wheels to avoid this mess.
Ragnar in Iceland
Last edited by BadMoonRacer; 06/25/23 06:20 PM.
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Re: Crappy design on a Mopar
[Re: BadMoonRacer]
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06/23/23 07:39 AM
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They were on most vehicles starting in the late seventies, not just on Mopars. Whoever designed them should have been fired,but probably got a promotion for saving money!
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Re: Crappy design on a Mopar
[Re: BadMoonRacer]
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They're just cheap junk. I first saw them on 1972 GM cars with the optional wheels. Sometime before 1978, we ran across one on a Pontiac with Rally II wheels we couldn't get off. We wound up using an air chisel to get it off. Despite trying to be careful the wheel was badly damaged from an appearance standpoint. Our '13 and '16 300 and Durango all came with that garbage. I replaced all with all steel chrome nuts indistinguishable from the original aside from being slightly longer. If not these, then pretty danged close. If you live in the rust belt, be proactive and replace the factory garbage before they become a problem. https://www.ebay.com/itm/134379235433?
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Re: Crappy design on a Mopar
[Re: BadMoonRacer]
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06/23/23 07:41 AM
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You can thank the use of impact wrenches for that mess , just buy aftermarket chrome replacements unless you really want to buy new wheels .
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Re: Crappy design on a Mopar
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06/23/23 08:45 AM
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Impacts, massive over torque, and the fact that fractional size sockets will fit, but are just a little too big which catches just the crown of the lug nut and literally tries to peel the cover off the inner nut. If the correct metric deep well socket along with the correct torque were used, we would have a lot less trouble with them. It wouldn't eliminate the problems because it is a $hitty design, but would help enormously. Most of these wheel lugs are spec'd to torque in the 100# to 140#. We frequently see torque in the 250+# range.
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Re: Crappy design on a Mopar
[Re: bigdad]
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06/23/23 11:12 AM
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LOL! Mine goes budda budda.
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Re: Crappy design on a Mopar
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06/23/23 03:47 PM
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Every time I bought a car or truck with those lug nuts on it, one of the 1st modifications on the vehicle was to replace them all with real lug nuts. The best money I've spent, one time and your usually good for the life of the vehicle.
I've had them round off before. I usually drill the stud out to remove the unremovable lug. Start with a small 1/8" bit (I buy cheap new bits that i only expect to use a few times), keep it as centered as possible and as straight as possible. The small diameter drill bit usually cuts a lot faster with a lot less pressure required. Then step up to a bigger, then a bigger bit bit until you reach the stud diameter (usually about the 3rd bit in the hole). When the last drill gets to the bottom of the nut, they usually fall off. Then you remove the wheel, the brake drum or rotor, and replace the stud and all the lug nuts. I have not screwed up a wheel since I started drilling out the stud.
You have to be more careful ordering lug nuts these days, a lot of aftermarket lug nuts are the same shell covered crap.
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Re: Crappy design on a Mopar
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06/23/23 06:19 PM
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Here in the rust belt, we get the same results but a different cause. The actual nut rusts and swells up under the cap. Now it's an in-between size.
Same solution, solid lugs.
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Re: Crappy design on a Mopar
[Re: JohnRR]
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06/24/23 09:31 AM
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You can thank the use of impact wrenches for that mess , just buy aftermarket chrome replacements unless you really want to buy new wheels . I tried the chrome lug nuts and the cheap china chrome peels off after some use. Maybe a better quality nut is my answer?
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Re: Crappy design on a Mopar
[Re: mopars4ever]
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06/24/23 11:06 AM
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i think i have McGard plated lug nuts on my 08 mustang. i have swapped the wheels at least 50 times when switching to the drag wheels for racing.. i use torque sticks on my impact wrench when installing. haven't had any problems with the chrome peeling.
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Re: Crappy design on a Mopar
[Re: BadMoonRacer]
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06/25/23 03:29 PM
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Maybe I am seeing it wrong, but it looks like there is an alignment shank below the tapered seat, and at least one has been bottomed out ... not to say the crappy stainless or whotever covers is a good idea ... My Mustang uses these worthless things too.
A set of Mcgards is on the bench.
I had a 66 Charger, don't remember it having a shanked lug.
Last edited by VL21; 06/25/23 03:31 PM.
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