Re: 528-541 stock block
[Re: sean1970]
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Personally, I wouldn’t even attempt to build a 900-950hp engine out of a stock Mopar BB.
But if an aftermarket block simply isn’t in the budget, and you’re intent on pushing forward anyway....... dont even bother asking the question. The only way to know how many passes the block will hold up is to build it and see.
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Re: 528-541 stock block
[Re: DusterKid]
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06/16/23 02:04 PM
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I wouldn't go above 505" with a stock block and keep it around or under 7000 rpm.
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Re: 528-541 stock block
[Re: sean1970]
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06/16/23 10:01 PM
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I just found an aluminum block! so lucked out. not going to take a chance probably build a 605 now. Congrats on finding a block. Now you'll need to decide on the heads. Only a handful of BBM heads that are capable of feeding a 605 well enough to make 900+ hp.
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Re: 528-541 stock block
[Re: quickd100]
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06/17/23 01:41 PM
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Actually they should really work nice. The only reason I didn't go that route was I didn't want to permanently alter a rare set of ShortRams. Theory is one thing, reality can be completely opposite when it comes to results, but if you don't test and experiment you'll never learn what does work and what doesn't Which set of those manifolds do you have, the short divider, medium or the completely long ones found on the 1959 sets ? I've never ran any of them or worked on any motors with them on but I have heard from some old timers that did and they would say there is a noticeable difference in performance between those three different intake divider lengths
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Re: 528-541 stock block
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There are only 2 different manifolds, the more common Longram and the hp version the shortram. They both have the same length runners but the shortram has its runners only isolated from each other for about 12". The longrams have each runner isolated their intire length. On the 413 the Longram version was rated at 375hp&495ftlbs. The shortram motors depending on the year were rated at 390 or 400 hp and torque figures vary some literature stated 465ftlbs. The Thermoquad carbs could be easily setup and tuned for these manifolds but I don't want to permanently alter a rare set of manifolds. Nicks garage U-Tube channel did a 63' shortram motor for a customer but they either missed on the cam selection or installed it at the wrong centerline as all they got out of a 426ci motor was 375hp&501 ft lbs.. The shortram motors were very fussy on the installed centerline and the factory used a special cam timing gear 2° retarded. My 446 Shortram motor made 429hp@5150&544ftlbs@3800, it made 512 ftlbs@2500. All the pulls on mine were made at 34° timing, in hindsight I should have bumped the timing a few more degrees. Also I didn't have a windage tray installed either. These 2 items should bump the hp&tq up a bit more. While dyno testing the motor I tried an M-1 single plane, a Weiand Tunnelram, and the Shortrams, the Shortram manifolds made the least Hp but buried the other two with their torque curves. Installed in my W-150 the ShortRams have explosive response.
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Re: 528-541 stock block
[Re: sean1970]
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I was thinking b1 heads have slick rick do them up. A uy contacted me about an iron block but I have no idea what it is? P5007628 made in canada by cummings said it has a 4.38 bore. not a bad price either $2,200.00 B1 heads should be able to make 900 hp if they are done right and if everything else matches up properly. Start a new thread when you're ready to pick the heads since I'm sure you'll get a lot of feedback on the subject There are a lot of custom parts with the B1 heads so you might check out the 572-13 heads from Indy.
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Re: 528-541 stock block
[Re: quickd100]
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There are only 2 different manifolds, the more common Longram and the hp version the shortram. They both have the same length runners but the shortram has its runners only isolated from each other for about 12". The longrams have each runner isolated their intire length. On the 413 the Longram version was rated at 375hp&495ftlbs. The shortram motors depending on the year were rated at 390 or 400 hp and torque figures vary some literature stated 465ftlbs. The Thermoquad carbs could be easily setup and tuned for these manifolds but I don't want to permanently alter a rare set of manifolds. Nicks garage U-Tube channel did a 63' shortram motor for a customer but they either missed on the cam selection or installed it at the wrong centerline as all they got out of a 426ci motor was 375hp&501 ft lbs.. The shortram motors were very fussy on the installed centerline and the factory used a special cam timing gear 2° retarded. My 446 Shortram motor made 429hp@5150&544ftlbs@3800, it made 512 ftlbs@2500. All the pulls on mine were made at 34° timing, in hindsight I should have bumped the timing a few more degrees. Also I didn't have a windage tray installed either. These 2 items should bump the hp&tq up a bit more. While dyno testing the motor I tried an M-1 single plane, a Weiand Tunnelram, and the Shortrams, the Shortram manifolds made the least Hp but buried the other two with their torque curves. Installed in my W-150 the ShortRams have explosive response. my intakes are the common, full runner divided, longrams. the heat stove on the bottom of each are corroded from exhaust gasses, and need repaired. as to using the T-quads, i was just going to use the commonly available adapters, and blend the adapters to the intakes carb flanges, thus not needing to do anything to the manifolds themselves. i have an article on how to convert the longrams into the short versions, but after reading the article, it seems to be quite a bit of work for possibly little, if any, gain. and speaking of cam selection, what would be the best choice of lift, duration, and lobe separation as well as installed centerline, to use these intakes on a 446-528 cubic inch engine ?
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Re: 528-541 stock block
[Re: moparx]
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06/18/23 05:16 PM
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Do you guys really think this intake is the way to go on a 900-950 horsepower build. Maybe More like a show cruise piece wouldn’t you think.
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