Re: sad ;(
[Re: migsBIG]
#3143104
05/07/23 09:28 PM
05/07/23 09:28 PM
|
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 404 IL us
ink
OP
mopar
|
OP
mopar
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 404
IL us
|
Sometimes local cars are not the best choice. If they need a project car and don’t mind going out of state, you can score good deals without braking the bank. Most people won’t pay high shipping cost to get a clean body to start with, but will spend ten’s of thousands $ on body panel repair/replacement because the car was within driving distance. If they can’t find anything, offer some site suggestions and see what their buy budget is. too late !! they went right back and bought it !!! and yeah you right? but you / we know the cheap comes out expensive!! I don't believe for a minute this guy is going to put the money to it ? i can see the typical tear down and 5 years later the realization sets in? the kid is 14 and is what it is ... Dad is 50 and I just can't help but shake my head??( again you would have i see this ( car)? with the sun shining through it you can see a million little rot holes !!! can't fix stupid !!!
|
|
|
Re: sad ;(
[Re: ink]
#3143107
05/07/23 09:51 PM
05/07/23 09:51 PM
|
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 10,651 Freeport IL USA
poorboy
I Live Here
|
I Live Here
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 10,651
Freeport IL USA
|
If you live in IL and get depressed over seeing one pos, used up, over priced, Mopar its going to be pretty tough for you to help this family. There are a boat load of these kinds of cars out there, every make and model with prices all over the board. Its the times we live in.
If you really want to seriously help them, you need to sit down and they need to come up with a plan on what they are after as a finished project, what their skill set really is, what their budget is, and what the time frame they have for the project. The reason you need to be there is for an honest appraisal of their skills, and to guide them to be sure the project they are looking at fits their plans. Their plans and expectations may not match yours. Its important you help them find what they want, and to guide them so they don't get ripped off.
if they are looking at a long term project with which they want to learn build skills and experience, that project they seek may be pretty rough. Rough projects should reflect their condition with a price in the same range.
If the son wants to build a vintage stock car, the Charger you looked at could probably be a great starting point, if what is there could be bought for its parts value. There is a current trend to take old racing chassis and convert them to street use with old car bodies on them. Not everything should be restored.
Just because you can't picture it doesn't mean someone else can't create it. If you are helping them, you help them find what they are looking for, then give them a fair value range of the pile of stuff they are looking at, and then the final decision is theirs. You have done your part, now help them get their project home. If you are unable to do that, maybe you are not the right guy to help them.
|
|
|
Re: sad ;(
[Re: MeanStreak]
#3143108
05/07/23 09:52 PM
05/07/23 09:52 PM
|
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 404 IL us
ink
OP
mopar
|
OP
mopar
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 404
IL us
|
Hell, there was a running/driving 73 Charger for sale down here in GA a couple months back with the hideaway headlights and the guy only wanted $3,800obo for that car. Some people just like to pull random numbers out their crack in the back it seems. yes the deals do come up still !! you just have to have the $ and trailer ready to go!!! the dad is just justifying it saying he don't want to cut put a good car because " the kid " wants to make it custom? truth is Hes so cheap I think he thinks he will make it all lol I would not want this car going down the road next to me or my family or my son in it for that matter with what I'm betting his plans are? I know I probably shouldn't care but that ((((car )))))
|
|
|
Re: sad ;(
[Re: poorboy]
#3143114
05/07/23 10:32 PM
05/07/23 10:32 PM
|
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 404 IL us
ink
OP
mopar
|
OP
mopar
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 404
IL us
|
If you live in IL and get depressed over seeing one pos, used up, over priced, Mopar its going to be pretty tough for you to help this family. There are a boat load of these kinds of cars out there, every make and model with prices all over the board. Its the times we live in.
If you really want to seriously help them, you need to sit down and they need to come up with a plan on what they are after as a finished project, what their skill set really is, what their budget is, and what the time frame they have for the project. The reason you need to be there is for an honest appraisal of their skills, and to guide them to be sure the project they are looking at fits their plans. Their plans and expectations may not match yours. Its important you help them find what they want, and to guide them so they don't get ripped off.
if they are looking at a long term project with which they want to learn build skills and experience, that project they seek may be pretty rough. Rough projects should reflect their condition with a price in the same range.
If the son wants to build a vintage stock car, the Charger you looked at could probably be a great starting point, if what is there could be bought for its parts value. There is a current trend to take old racing chassis and convert them to street use with old car bodies on them. Not everything should be restored.
Just because you can't picture it doesn't mean someone else can't create it. If you are helping them, you help them find what they are looking for, then give them a fair value range of the pile of stuff they are looking at, and then the final decision is theirs. You have done your part, now help them get their project home. If you are unable to do that, maybe you are not the right guy to help them. I couldn't agree more with you !! and this is why i just couldn't stand by and say nothing!! without seeing this heap you'll never understand !!! it has been a part car and all is gone .. not even a wiper motor or heater box >> just a 73 rotted out shell it's the price that is so sad! you got to be smarter than that!!
|
|
|
Re: sad ;(
[Re: ink]
#3143146
05/08/23 08:36 AM
05/08/23 08:36 AM
|
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 10,763 North Dakota
6PakBee
I Live Here
|
I Live Here
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 10,763
North Dakota
|
My Dad always told me that every lesson in life has a price tag.....some are just more expensive than others.
"We live in a time when intelligent people are being silenced so that stupid people won't be offended".
|
|
|
Re: sad ;(
[Re: 6PakBee]
#3143193
05/08/23 12:50 PM
05/08/23 12:50 PM
|
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 15,996 RI Deep in the rust belt
chargervert
I Live Here
|
I Live Here
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 15,996
RI Deep in the rust belt
|
When you are young, you believe that any old car can be fixed, after 45 years of fixing rusty New England cars, I buy them from down south and out west!
70 Charger R/T SE 472 Hemi
70 Charger R/T convertible
70 Charger R/T V Code Sixpack
69 Charger R/T SE Sunroofcar
68 Charger 383
68 Charger 318
71 Charger R/T
70 Challenger convertible
71 Challenger convertible
71 Cuda 340
09 Challenger R/T Classic
|
|
|
Re: sad ;(
[Re: chargervert]
#3143296
05/08/23 10:38 PM
05/08/23 10:38 PM
|
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 404 IL us
ink
OP
mopar
|
OP
mopar
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 404
IL us
|
When you are young, you believe that any old car can be fixed, after 45 years of fixing rusty New England cars, I buy them from down south and out west! true that !!! live and learn. my first Mopar at 16 was a 69 dodge A108 over the last five years or so with all the f/b A100 sits these vans have really blown up and some people are asking 15 thousand for just a ok solid driver and then you got some asking 30 thousand for nicer. I now have 3 A100 vans 1 A108 pop top camper van and 1 64A100 truck all very nice!!! nothing I call over the top but super solid. I wouldn't have more than the one I started with if the others didn't pop up at a price (1800$ ) you couldn't walk away from!!!! also picked up a 68 dart 340 4sd gts for this same reason. I have never been a flipper so I kinda do have a problem ??lol all I'm trying to say is the deals will always come up if your patient and have the money and trailer /time !!! every year about this time i had another buddy that called me and wants me to help him find a 68/9 Dart. Every year i ask him if he has the cash in hand and every year it was the same thing ~ he wants to find the car first once that happens, he will then get a loan? i told him the only cars he will ever have to choose for are the ones nobody wants and been for sale for years. . not to mention no bank is given loans on a 50-year-old car. after a few years of this he bought a brand-new truck??there is no doubt in my mind that in the years that this guy and his son is working on that pos 73 charger (and I love them) I can find a 71/2 a million times better!!! I just wish they had more discipline and patience.
|
|
|
Re: sad ;(
[Re: ink]
#3143504
05/09/23 08:45 PM
05/09/23 08:45 PM
|
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 10,651 Freeport IL USA
poorboy
I Live Here
|
I Live Here
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 10,651
Freeport IL USA
|
Nearly all the cars and trucks I've built were piles of metal that sort of resembled a car or truck, but I sure didn't pay $3 grand for any of them. The hard reality is, once I get them to the street, it probably would have been cheaper to buy a nice ride, but where is the challenge in that?
When I get done, the build from a pile of parts to a vehicle I can safely drive on the street generally takes a bit over a year (I've done several and have picture proof), But then there are a couple more years of refining before they reach what I call a decent ride. By then I'm bored with it and I'm looking for whatever is next. When I find it, I begin the build and get it to road worthy and sell the old one to cover the cost of the new one. The process starts over.
I believe its the challenge to make that pile into something I can drive, then put a bunch of miles on it to prove I can do it that drives me to build these piles no one else is dumb enough to do. That worked out well when I was younger, but these days the drive to accomplish a build isn't so strong anymore, or I've finally got something I really like. I'll let you know how that works out for me in a couple years. The current truck has been licensed for 2 years, and we have been driving the coupe since 2012.
|
|
|
|
|