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Re: wiring in electric fans [Re: Sinitro] #3143567
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Originally Posted by Sinitro
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One crucial point to keep in mind when wiring add-on electric fans..
Since they draw large amounts of current (>30 amps) do NOT use the bulkhead connectors, as it exceeds their handling capabilty..

Just my $0.02.... wink


Yes, but STILL if bulkhead terminals are kept as the main path there is allmost nothing to worry if wired into the CORRECT alt output rate. Just when engine is off, and when this happen as mentioned if you set them up to be on JUST with ign switch on… and if to be automatically off with temo sensor switch, fans will be working for a minute or even less. Still on this stage, bulkhead will hold it nicelly.

Take in mind, RELAYS are made with prongs allmost just like the packard terminals, and they handle the load! But sure, when installing those, they are fresh brass… but bulkhead terminals… not. Check and MANTENIENCE is the key


Over the years, we have rebuilt multiple Mopars and wiring systems which were modified by less experienced guys for electric fans...
Bulkhead connectors and associated OE wires were not designed to handle the high current. Since we have designed & built multiple vehicles for CES and SEMA shows we do know a little bit about this..

Just my $0.02... wink


Sure, it happens… making it wrong sure takes to that scenario. And without considering the correct loads handled on every spot at certain stages.


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Re: wiring in electric fans [Re: Cab_Burge] #3143568
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Originally Posted by Cab_Burge
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He still needs to check his current draw and charging capacity beer
iagree scope
I installed one large aftermarket electric fan on a drag only car years ago and found that it would draw 70+ amps on startup initially shock
To much amp draw can melt overloaded, to small, wires real quickly puke tsk


I guess it got a 8 gauge wire or so to source it? LOL.

Most fans are wired into 14-16 gauge wire rate. Sure the start up instant would require thicker wire if the load for it was constant, but the start up high peaks are not larger than 1/4 of second or so, then the decay is abrupt once the fan stopped inertia is beaten


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Re: wiring in electric fans [Re: NachoRT74] #3143581
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Correct fan wiring.

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Re: wiring in electric fans [Re: NITROUSN] #3143676
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You are not understanding.

NOT WITH AMMETER EQUIPPED CARS,


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Re: wiring in electric fans [Re: NachoRT74] #3143682
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Originally Posted by NachoRT74
You are not understanding.

NOT WITH AMMETER EQUIPPED CARS,


I fully understand. I would bypass the ammeter and install a voltmeter. I would also install a fused larger gauge wire at the alternator to either a buss terminal, relay stud or battery, large enough to support the alternators maximum output.

Re: wiring in electric fans [Re: NITROUSN] #3143822
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Thats a DIFFERENT STUFF. All my explanation is based on cars still with ammeters in working order and also explaining how ammeter can be kept in place still with upgrades and safe.

The installation you posted is exactly the kind one which, on stock setup, acelerated the bulkhead burning process along the years and get ammeters out of their limits, being constantly stressed.

Now, bypassing ammeter and bulkhead at the same time with the tipical batt/alt jumper wire is, as told by John is a matter of prefferences, but even this must be made on the right way.


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Re: wiring in electric fans [Re: NachoRT74] #3143864
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Originally Posted by NachoRT74
Thats a DIFFERENT STUFF. All my explanation is based on cars still with ammeters in working order and also explaining how ammeter can be kept in place still with upgrades and safe.

The installation you posted is exactly the kind one which, on stock setup, acelerated the bulkhead burning process along the years and get ammeters out of their limits, being constantly stressed.

Now, bypassing ammeter and bulkhead at the same time with the tipical batt/alt jumper wire is, as told by John is a matter of prefferences, but even this must be made on the right way.


What happens when you are 50 miles from home and the alternator quits. Where does the load go then?

Re: wiring in electric fans [Re: NITROUSN] #3143920
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It comes from batt to feed fan, ammeter will show discharge. Sure, bulkhead and ammeter will get the fan loads.

Are we assuming the fan is replacing the stock fan clutch? Or being added to reinforce it?

But if alt quits the right thing is take the car appart and wait for tow, just like if brakes fail or Ign module.

In any case, that’s the exception, not the rule. If we think on every “WHAT IF” posible then don’t try to live.

You can also disconect the fan, and drive back home. Just 50 miles.

Also, if you think on every “what if” well, the same than get small spare parts on trunk, a piece of wire to jump out batt and alt and bypass the amm and bulkhead.

If you are driving at night, lights also will be affected, then the ammeter too.

Alt can fail also with belt broken… which is maybe easier than an alt fail itself.

What about if fan fails?

P.S.:
That’s why I’m fan of the stock fan clutch.

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Re: wiring in electric fans [Re: NachoRT74] #3143939
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Originally Posted by NachoRT74


What about if fan fails?

P.S.:
That’s why I’m fan of the stock fan clutch.


How many modern cars have an engine-driven fan?


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Re: wiring in electric fans [Re: NachoRT74] #3144085
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It should not be forgotten that the silicone fluid in viscous or lock up fan clutches can be changed
so that the unlocked fan rpm can be varied - less to save horsepower or improve fuel economy,
but also more viscous to move more air.

Realize that fan designs done by CAD have greatly improved in the past 15 years - quieter and use less power to move more air.

Today’s best fans “look like mean Klingon weapons”
with sharp points, edges and creases that both stiffen and improve aero
but the blade positions around the hub are not always symmetrically arranged

If you are a bit shocked,
and think:
“I would really hate to stick my hand down into that”
it is probably an improved design.

Re: wiring in electric fans [Re: John_Kunkel] #3144296
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Originally Posted by John_Kunkel
Originally Posted by NachoRT74


What about if fan fails?

P.S.:
That’s why I’m fan of the stock fan clutch.


How many modern cars have an engine-driven fan?


John, how many cars still have carburetors? How many got ammeters? How many have a single coil or even a distributor? That premise doesn’t have sense my friend about the cars we are talking and working.


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But it does reply to the question "what about if the fan fails". The same as if your fan belt breaks, s**t happens and that's no reason to reject a modern upgrade.


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Well, yes… but at the end is cheaper and easier to replace the belt than the fan LOL. And you can get a spare on trunk


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Originally Posted by NachoRT74
Well, yes… but at the end is cheaper and easier to replace the belt than the fan LOL. And you can get a spare on trunk


Yes, because OEM electric fans have such a failure rate that it is an issue eyes

If you use a non OEM style fan, well you take your chances.

I put an electric fan on my 51 Plymouth. Several reasons why. I watched an engine masters dyno test where the fixed style fan my 51 had used approximately 30 hp to run, on a 97 hp (when new, lol) engine. So that was a cheap and easy 30+% increase in HP to the wheel. Not to mention it's quieter and fuel economy improved without that fixed fan running all the time.

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If you're driving down the road and your fan belt breaks it usually drives something else as well. So not only have you lost the cooling effect of the fan but you're no longer pumping coolant through the motor. And quite likely you've lost power from the alternator as well.

On the other hand, if your electric fan bites the bullet you'll still have coolant flow, power, etc. and the airflow through the rad just might be sufficient enough for you to limp home.

Re: wiring in electric fans [Re: Stanton] #3144500
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Guys, I just said and fan of the stock fan clutch, not saying anything againts the electric fans LOL.

About what I’m not agree is getting the power to the fans from battery without take in mind you have an ammeter, which is a wrong procedement. This is the deal on the thread. Aside the alternator must be upgraded accordingly for it/them.


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