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Stick shift guys #3130143
03/17/23 02:07 PM
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What is the cut off for weight to determine wither to use an aluminum of a steel flywheel? My car with me in it and a half tank of gas weighs in at 3926#. I have run both types of flywheels. The difference in ET and MPH with my set up is minimal. My car is mostly street driven. Street manners with the steel wheel seems better. The aluminum wheel weighs in at around 20# . The steel wheels is around 33#'s.


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I think it is up to you on which one you like, especially on a street and strip car twocents
I did a bunch of testing on flywheel diameter, clutches and pressure plates on my old 1970 Cuda Hemi 4 speed car, started off with with the stock 1968 170 tooth flywheel with the 11.0 inch clutch( I think weighed 40 lbs. switch to a 140 tooth flywheel with the 11.0 inch clucth which weighed a little less but I can't remember exactly how much now whiney
Next was a 130 tooth steel with a 10.95 clutch Borg and Beck style and later tried a Long Style 10.95 clutch, the last swap was to a 18 to 20 lbs. 130 tooth Aluminum flywheel with one of the 10.95 clutches. The car would spin the tires with all the steel flywheels and bog with the aluminum leaving at WOT on all of them shruggy
I fnally weigh the front and rear axle weigts and quit racing it after that, it had 2180 lbs. on the front tires and 1260 lbs. on the rear tires without me in it racing on a 9 inch wide slick shock puke: down:


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Sounds like you need to listen to Cale Aronson the the Clutch Burners podcast.

https://youtu.be/oLgQMFNkKCE

Lots of good info concerning clutch and flywheel weight.


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I think not just race weight but SLR would be a consideration.


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Originally Posted by JERICOGTX
Sounds like you need to listen to Cale Aronson the the Clutch Burners podcast.

https://youtu.be/oLgQMFNkKCE

Lots of good info concerning clutch and flywheel weight.
. Good info here. Thanks. Probably leave the steel wheel in.


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There's a section on flywheel weight in a drag race scenario here... Clutch Tuning Basics

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Originally Posted by INTMD8
I think not just race weight but SLR would be a consideration.
iagree My Cuda with a 4.10 rear gear and 28.0 tal slicks would bog the motor at WOT on the starting line, work
I switch rear gears to 4.89 and went back to spinning the tires so I put some 29x9x15 slick on it and switch the rear gears to 5.13 to make it RPM through the lights realcrazy
That was back in 1974 to 1976, no internet and I was a learning rookie making mistakes testing and racing at the same time realcrazy
Once I weighed that cars front and rear weight I took it apart and sold it as a street car and bought back my old 1963 415 HP M.W. car and started winning bracket races and having fun boogie
My message is if it ain't fun, why do it work scope up twocents


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I was discussing flywheels with a few of the UMTR guys about aluminum flywheels and one of the opinions had my interest. The idea was that even though the inertia is greater with a steel wheel the aluminum wheel recovers RPM quicker between gear changes. shruggy I have a new aluminum wheel that I intend to use if I put the old Hays Mark XII plate back in because that 12 bolt adjustable plate is freakin heavy.

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Originally Posted by fourgearsavoy
I was discussing flywheels with a few of the UMTR guys about aluminum flywheels and one of the opinions had my interest. The idea was that even though the inertia is greater with a steel wheel the aluminum wheel recovers RPM quicker between gear changes. shruggy I have a new aluminum wheel that I intend to use if I put the old Hays Mark XII plate back in because that 12 bolt adjustable plate is freakin heavy.

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Interesting. Steel gets you moving better, but aluminum recovers between shifts better


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Originally Posted by 68LAR
Originally Posted by fourgearsavoy
I was discussing flywheels with a few of the UMTR guys about aluminum flywheels and one of the opinions had my interest. The idea was that even though the inertia is greater with a steel wheel the aluminum wheel recovers RPM quicker between gear changes. shruggy I have a new aluminum wheel that I intend to use if I put the old Hays Mark XII plate back in because that 12 bolt adjustable plate is freakin heavy.

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Interesting. Steel gets you moving better, but aluminum recovers between shifts better



Not always. There are ways to make the lighter flywheel combo get you going like a steel wheel.

I don’t argue about it any more because it’s not worth it. I run an aluminum wheel in everything that is going to see some track time.


Of course, if you don’t have a way to APPLY the clutch then the steel wheel is a bandaid to get the car moving. Clutch application is critical.


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Originally Posted by madscientist
Originally Posted by 68LAR
Originally Posted by fourgearsavoy
I was discussing flywheels with a few of the UMTR guys about aluminum flywheels and one of the opinions had my interest. The idea was that even though the inertia is greater with a steel wheel the aluminum wheel recovers RPM quicker between gear changes. shruggy I have a new aluminum wheel that I intend to use if I put the old Hays Mark XII plate back in because that 12 bolt adjustable plate is freakin heavy.

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Interesting. Steel gets you moving better, but aluminum recovers between shifts better



Not always. There are ways to make the lighter flywheel combo get you going like a steel wheel.

I don’t argue about it any more because it’s not worth it. I run an aluminum wheel in everything that is going to see some track time.


Of course, if you don’t have a way to APPLY the clutch then the steel wheel is a bandaid to get the car moving. Clutch application is critical.


Can you point us to the thread where you did agrue it ? fan


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I've help other stick shift racers. years ago, using a early A body 3.09 first gear tranny in a later A body case, taught us that the starting line ratio and. 3rd to 4 th. gear RPM drop can make a lot of difference in a drag only car, especially SB cars work
5.57 rear gear with a 3.09 1st gear in a 3000 lb. SB stick shift drag car keeps you pretty busy ( hammer) the first 300 to 500 ft. depending on the rear tire size boogie grin

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Originally Posted by weedburner
There's a section on flywheel weight in a drag race scenario here... Clutch Tuning Basics

Grant


The part about launch rpm vs trap rpm is very interesting. I may reconsider my aluminum wheel.


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Originally Posted by 68LAR
Originally Posted by weedburner
There's a section on flywheel weight in a drag race scenario here... Clutch Tuning Basics

Grant


The part about launch rpm vs trap rpm is very interesting. I may reconsider my aluminum wheel.




Yup. At least reconsider it.


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