Re: HYDROGEN POWER vs Diesel vs Battery hmmmm interesting
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Here's what windmills are good for. Shade.
Not a coinsidence that those are SHEEP in the shade of the windmill!! Just don’t buy a electric vehicle. Not you, you family or friends. When nobody buys them they choke on them. VW Toyota and Tesla all agree there is not enough infrastructure to charge these cars. Those only place not concerned about this or the massive pollution associated with producing and disposing of these batteries the is US gubment.
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Re: HYDROGEN POWER vs Diesel vs Battery hmmmm interesting
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Ammonia can kill you. I used to help a commercial refrigeration company years ago. Ammonia will go straight to moisture such as your eyes or lungs. A major vapor leak can clear a production facility quite quickly! Any fuel source can kill you if not used safely. Ammonia is the 2nd most manufactured chemical in the world and is already used as a fuel, just not on a wide scale. It would likely be in tanks similar to propane or LPG. There is some information about the safety features that would have to be implemented here: https://www.osti.gov/etdeweb/servlets/purl/20607161
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Re: HYDROGEN POWER vs Diesel vs Battery hmmmm interesting
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Only works if you don't look at how hydrogen is actually made NOW. I think about the same thing was said about oil, gasoline, diesel and kerosene back in the mid 1800's. Eventually there will be a John Davison Rockefeller type company come along and figure out how to "git er done". It will be just as cheap as making batteries or cheaper and China won't have everyone by the ba........ just my Gee, we could just use fusion power to generate the hydrogen, should be ready in sometime in the next 30 years, which they have been saying for the late 50+ years. IOW, don't count your chickens till the egg hatches. Yep, thirty years away…and always will be. Keep giving us money to work on it though.
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Re: HYDROGEN POWER vs Diesel vs Battery hmmmm interesting
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Re: HYDROGEN POWER vs Diesel vs Battery hmmmm interesting
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Got it. Hydrogen could be bad if leakage occurs on a large scale. Yeah, I wonder what other fuels would be bad if they leaked on a large scale. Which reminds me, I remember 15-20 years ago hearing no one would want a car with a tank full of hydrogen given how explosive it is. Because what, gasoline is not explosive? Hello Ford Pinto
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Re: HYDROGEN POWER vs Diesel vs Battery hmmmm interesting
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We should keep in mind that Hydrogen “embrittles” many metals and cause failures through cracking.
We should also keep in mind that today’s “Snowflake” college engineering students do not have to take a required “Failure Analysis” class their senior year.
We should also keep in mind that the lowest grade that an engineering student can get is a B rather than an F.
Give a university science student a B+ rather than an well deserved F and it is highly probable that the student’s parent will call both the class instructor and University Vice President and threaten a lawsuit. Ugh. Wish it wasn’t so. But I have three kids just out of college, and know what you say is true. The bar is a lot lower.
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Re: HYDROGEN POWER vs Diesel vs Battery hmmmm interesting
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Got it. Hydrogen could be bad if leakage occurs on a large scale. Yeah, I wonder what other fuels would be bad if they leaked on a large scale. Which reminds me, I remember 15-20 years ago hearing no one would want a car with a tank full of hydrogen given how explosive it is. Because what, gasoline is not explosive? Hello Ford Pinto How many here have seen the demo that used to be given by Oxy-Acetylene salesman: Fill a toy ballon with just acetylene gas up to basketball size, light it with an open flame, get a modest “pop.” Fill a toy ballon with the correct mix of both oxygen and acetylene but only up to grapefruit size, light it with an open flame, get a starlingly loud explosion of M80 fireworks intensity ?
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Re: HYDROGEN POWER vs Diesel vs Battery hmmmm interesting
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Wasn't there something called a hydrogen bomb?
Kind of like asking "wasn't there something called an atom bomb?" You know there are atoms in gasoline and gasoline is explosive too there Pinto. [quote]There are 3.785 L in one gallon. Assume that the molecular formula for gasoline is C6H14 and that the density of gasoline is approximately 0.85 grams/mL. There are 4.50 x 1026 atoms in 1 gallon of gasoline.[/quote] What's the count now for states that are banning gasoline powered vehicles by 2035, think it's approaching about half the states. Bye, bye ICE.
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Re: HYDROGEN POWER vs Diesel vs Battery hmmmm interesting
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Wasn't there something called a hydrogen bomb? Kind of like asking "wasn't there something called an atom bomb?" You know there are atoms in gasoline and gasoline is explosive too there Pinto. There are 3.785 L in one gallon. Assume that the molecular formula for gasoline is C6H14 and that the density of gasoline is approximately 0.85 grams/mL. There are 4.50 x 1026 atoms in 1 gallon of gasoline.[/quote] What's the count now for states that are banning gasoline powered vehicles by 2035, think it's approaching about half the states. Bye, bye ICE. That 4.5 x 1026 can’t be right, must be a whole lot of zeros missing
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Re: HYDROGEN POWER vs Diesel vs Battery hmmmm interesting
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There are 3.785 L in one gallon. Assume that the molecular formula for gasoline is C6H14 and that the density of gasoline is approximately 0.85 grams/mL. There are 4.50 x 1026 atoms in 1 gallon of gasoline.[/quote] What's the count now for states that are banning gasoline powered vehicles by 2035, think it's approaching about half the states. Bye, bye ICE. That 4.5 x 1026 can’t be right, must be a whole lot of zeros missing I'm guessing he meant "4.5 x 10^26?"
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Re: HYDROGEN POWER vs Diesel vs Battery hmmmm interesting
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Wasn't there something called a hydrogen bomb?
As luck would have it, “13 lucky miles away as the crow flies” from where the acetylene/oxygen gas in the toy ballon was ignited there were Thermo-nuclear Hydrogen bombs in storage plus three varieties of nerve gases in aerial bombs, artillery shells, and mortar bombs. “There must have been quite high security guarding those” you might think. In another odd accident a few years later, I was present when when the US Army Colonel in charge of that storage area was told by a Railroad employee that the security gate where the railroad entered the storage area had been crashed into and destroyed 6 days earlier by sole fault of the railroad crew, and the railroad was willing to totally pay for its replacement. The Colonel got a weird look on his face and turned around and picked up a notebook, turned pages looking at entries, asked the railroad employee again: what date and time did this gate get destroyed? The Army guards had been too lazy to walk down and carry out their duty to inspect that gate. Years later a special plant was built to chemically neutralize the nerve gas filled weapons. Pipe welds in that plant were to be 100% x-rayed. The x-rays that showed defective welds were faked to show good welds. All the welds had to be ground out and re-done at great time delay and expense. Ignorance is bliss. It probably is even worse than you suspect.
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Re: HYDROGEN POWER vs Diesel vs Battery hmmmm interesting
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Wasn't there something called a hydrogen bomb?
As luck would have it, “13 lucky miles away as the crow flies” from where the acetylene/oxygen gas in the toy ballon was ignited there were Thermo-nuclear Hydrogen bombs in storage plus three varieties of nerve gases in aerial bombs, artillery shells, and mortar bombs. “There must have been quite high security guarding those” you might think. In another odd accident a few years later, I was present when when the US Army Colonel in charge of that storage area was told by a Railroad employee that the security gate where the railroad entered the storage area had been crashed into and destroyed 6 days earlier by sole fault of the railroad crew, and the railroad was willing to totally pay for its replacement. The Colonel got a weird look on his face and turned around and picked up a notebook, turned pages looking at entries, asked the railroad employee again: what date and time did this gate get destroyed? The Army guards had been too lazy to walk down and carry out their duty to inspect that gate. Years later a special plant was built to chemically neutralize the nerve gas filled weapons. Pipe welds in that plant were to be 100% x-rayed. The x-rays that showed defective welds were faked to show good welds. All the welds had to be ground out and re-done at great time delay and expense. Ignorance is bliss. It probably is even worse than you suspect. Sounds like your local hospital. Or doctors office.
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