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Re: Best Machines dyno
[Re: mopar dave]
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03/02/23 10:10 AM
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The guy who bought my blue duster had Best upgrade the motor from where it was when I had it, then had them Dyno it
The DYNO results seemed to be remarkably similar or what it ran at the track
708 horsepower, 140 mph at 3220.
So I would say neither stingy nor happy, but accurate
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Re: Best Machines dyno
[Re: mopar dave]
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03/02/23 10:16 AM
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Anyone ever use Best Machines dyno? I'm curious to know if their dyno is stingy or generous. No one EVER had a generous dyno. Or flow bench. Look at fuel consumption, air consumption and weather correction and you’ll know if the dyno is producing useable numbers. And by useable I mean at whatever correction factor the dyno operator uses.
Just because you think it won't make it true. Horsepower is KING. To dispute this is stupid. C. Alston
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Re: Best Machines dyno
[Re: mopar dave]
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03/02/23 03:29 PM
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Bend,OR USA
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Yeah, the dyno operator can make those numbers go in the direction they like.  i had a pump gas stroker wedge 426 motor on the DTS engine dyno that the Vrbansic brothers owned and operated n Ontario, CA. The motor had a junk set of Mopar Stage IV heads on a crack 1965 street 426 wedge block, bunch of junk  The owner insisted on using those parts  That motor struggled to make 496.8 HP after a lot of tuning and parts changing, it was late in the afternoon, around 4:30 PM and the owner made a comment that he had really hope that the motor would make 500 + HP on CA pump swill. The dyno operator said well it is late in the day and we have enough to make one more pull before 5:00 PM so let's let it sit for a few minutes while it cools down outside and see if it will break 500 HP before 5:00 PM when we needed to pull the motor off the dyno. We said okay and he then got on the keyboard and did some fiddling around on one of the pages and magically on the next pull the motor made 508.4 HP at 6300 RPM  that made the owner happy   I didn't ask him what he had changed on the software until I was back down their later that year breaking in and tuning another customers motor, I ask him then what he had change and he said he had changed the flywheel weight from 30 lbs. to 40 lbs. and that was why it indicated it made more power with no other changes  I've also seen another engine dyno (Studka brand) be manipulated to read higher by not being prepared with the proper weights when calibrating it before using it 
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Re: Best Machines dyno
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03/02/23 03:49 PM
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On the parachute mount
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Best Machine, one of the better shops you are going to deal with. I would 100% trust the results you get from them. Top level shop for sure
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Re: Best Machines dyno
[Re: Cab_Burge]
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03/02/23 03:51 PM
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I know numerous people that have had Best build and/or Dyno their engines. All have said they were happy with the results and never heard anyone say that they thought their dyno is on the happy side. Of course, I don't know anyone who would complain about good results/numbers. We have 32 dyno's and all of ours are SAE calibrated for all of the OEM and prototype work we do.
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1970 Challenger R/T, 528 Hemi
1970 Charger 500 S.E. 440 4 BBL
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1974 Chrysler New Yorker 440
1996 2500 RAM 488 V-10 4X4
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Re: Best Machines dyno
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03/02/23 09:06 PM
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I heard from a reliable source that best closed shop . all equipment was sold and building sold. I guess pete and chuck decided to retire.
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Re: Best Machines dyno
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03/02/23 09:38 PM
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They’re posting engine builds on their Facebook page on a semi-weekly basis, just saw one yesterday.
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Re: Best Machines dyno
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03/02/23 11:37 PM
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I heard from a reliable source that best closed shop . all equipment was sold and building sold. I guess pete and chuck decided to retire. I have heard the same - kind of sad as they are really good at what they do. And yes their dyno was accurate and maybe a tad stingy.!
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Re: Best Machines dyno
[Re: mopar dave]
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03/03/23 01:31 AM
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Great Guys to deal with. No complaints about my motor after block cracked. Definitely a noticeable difference when back in same car.
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Re: Best Machines dyno
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03/03/23 01:49 PM
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Dyno accuracy is what it is. From my experience a lot of folks lack the ability, funding, knowledge, or will to actually maximize their combos to begin with. Many times, those issues are transferred as blame on the engine builder or dyno. To me this is a more important point that gets missed than whether any dyno is stingy, generous etc. Look no further than NHRA stockers. The best running stuff is not making huge HP(well except those FSS guys)but they are very good at using all they have and maximizing what they have. Comp is another excellent place to see the results of hard work and lots of money.
How many guys here get an engine off the dyno throw it in the car and leave it. Or think I just need to jet up or down and leave it. People come to my place and ask why I have so much stuff, well trying to maximizing things. I have piles of converters, gears, planetaries, carbs, intakes, fuel pumps, blah blah blah. and I am alwasy selling stuff that we have tried. It takes a lot of "want to" to really maximize the effort of your car. Its not for the faint of heart of wallet for sure. But if you truly want to "get it all" its what it takes.
While I have never really had any dealings with Best Machine other than an odd phone call or two it would be a shame to see them go. But these days that is happening all over this industry. Owners are aging out and either have no family to take over or just want to sell and retire, which they are more than entitled to do. I hope the rumor is not true as they are a huge asset to the Mopar community and furthering the evolution of the parts and engines to higher levels, but if it is true I salute them and thank them for their years of devotion to the Mopar community.
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Re: Best Machines dyno
[Re: Al_Alguire]
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03/04/23 08:54 AM
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Dyno accuracy is what it is. From my experience a lot of folks lack the ability, funding, knowledge, or will to actually maximize their combos to begin with. Many times, those issues are transferred as blame on the engine builder or dyno. To me this is a more important point that gets missed than whether any dyno is stingy, generous etc. Look no further than NHRA stockers. The best running stuff is not making huge HP(well except those FSS guys)but they are very good at using all they have and maximizing what they have. Comp is another excellent place to see the results of hard work and lots of money.
How many guys here get an engine off the dyno throw it in the car and leave it. Or think I just need to jet up or down and leave it. People come to my place and ask why I have so much stuff, well trying to maximizing things. I have piles of converters, gears, planetaries, carbs, intakes, fuel pumps, blah blah blah. and I am alwasy selling stuff that we have tried. It takes a lot of "want to" to really maximize the effort of your car. Its not for the faint of heart of wallet for sure. But if you truly want to "get it all" its what it takes.
While I have never really had any dealings with Best Machine other than an odd phone call or two it would be a shame to see them go. But these days that is happening all over this industry. Owners are aging out and either have no family to take over or just want to sell and retire, which they are more than entitled to do. I hope the rumor is not true as they are a huge asset to the Mopar community and furthering the evolution of the parts and engines to higher levels, but if it is true I salute them and thank them for their years of devotion to the Mopar community. Great post. And perfectly true. Performance is a continual process. Many guys blame the dyno for bogus numbers when in fact the chassis/drive train/suspension/converter-clutch/fuel system/ignition or whatever are lacking at best. Ot at worst, they are just junk. But it can never be that. It has to be the dyno. Or the operator.
Just because you think it won't make it true. Horsepower is KING. To dispute this is stupid. C. Alston
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Re: Best Machines dyno
[Re: mopar dave]
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03/06/23 11:13 AM
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I hope things are okay there. The wealth of knowledge there is off the charts.
Was offered the dyno service when I last spoke to Chuck back in 2019 and he did my balance job on my 572.
It was about the same cost as a quarter panel or roof skin which the car needed much more, so at the end of the day I declined.
If I would have skipped the metal replacement then there was no sense in doing the engine as it had no logical home otherwise.
(this is when people can have a big laugh at my expense, because I'm talking about budget and Hemis in the same paragraph)
Hope to see more posts about this project.
Rich H.
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Re: Best Machines dyno
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03/06/23 05:58 PM
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I understand about Hemi's and a budget. It can be done, somewhat. I don't have much more into mine than what an old Crate Hemi cost at the time. However, it makes much more power though.
1963 Belvedere 440 Max Wedge Tribute
1970 Charger R/T S.E. 440 Six Pack
1970 Challenger R/T, 528 Hemi
1970 Charger 500 S.E. 440 4 BBL
1970 Plymouth Road Runner 383
1974 Chrysler New Yorker 440
1996 2500 RAM 488 V-10 4X4
2004 3500 Dually Cummins 4x4
2012 Challenger R/T Classic.
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It would foot stall to right at 2300 RPM before pushing the front tiny(165x15) front tires through the starting beams 
