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Re: 11/16 tie rod upgrade, what are the benefits? [Re: AndyF] #3054938
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i too, always thought cost was the main reason, and strength was just along for the ride.
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Re: 11/16 tie rod upgrade, what are the benefits? [Re: Kern Dog] #3054950
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Kern Dog -- Regarding boxing the LCA, I wonder how much that is truly worth ... the race Posey T/A and Gurney AAR cars do not have them boxed... maybe SCCA TransAm rules never allowed that to be done. I've boxed my LCAs and run the 11/16" tie rods, and have the K-frame all reinforced... can't tell if it has made any difference (running competition pylon autocross, as well as HPDE/HSAX)... I suppose better to have it done vs not done.


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Re: 11/16 tie rod upgrade, what are the benefits? [Re: Mopar Mitch] #3054979
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I know that boxing the LCA is important when using a big anti-sway bar, especially the early ones with the sway bar mount out on the end of the LCA. The force from the sway bar is enough to spread the LCA apart if it isn't boxed.

Re: 11/16 tie rod upgrade, what are the benefits? [Re: AndyF] #3054985
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One other thing to consider, the longer the tie rod assembly the more likely it is to bend. So you up the diameter

My 51 has a real short driver's side assembly, about a foot. The pass side is about three feet long work

Yeah, bumpsteer is a thing

Re: 11/16 tie rod upgrade, what are the benefits? [Re: Sniper] #3055127
07/02/22 05:43 AM
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many benefits no deficits to upgrading the larger hardware other than the wallet

Use the solid aftermarket ones.
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same with boxing the LCAs, aftermarket UCA's, firm feel sway bars/steering, strut rods, etc......................

I spent 22+ yrs running hot laps in high performance driving schools on Thunder Road, this is not autocross, one step less than racing, I had a car that could run with the big dogs if i wanted too. Watkins Glen 2x per yr 2days per event
Do the math

At each and every 2 day event there were always upgrades that significantly lowered my lap times to the pt i was running under the "number" which is 2.5 minutes for a full lap.
I have had a lot of tech support esp at the track.

If anyone want to ask me what works and wants to tune the suspension let alone a six pak please pm me ....I have data not the seat of my pants

Re: 11/16 tie rod upgrade, what are the benefits? [Re: AndyF] #3056404
07/05/22 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by AndyF
It is a classic mopar debate. Just like regular or high volume oil pumps. LH wheel studs or regular ones, Dana 60 vs Ford 9 inch, etc.

People still question a 9" over a 60?


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Re: 11/16 tie rod upgrade, what are the benefits? [Re: astjp2] #3101565
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I see this is a bit of a hot-button, but my question should be pretty straighforward as I'm dong the upgrade on my '71 Roadrunner, regardless of opinions:

I plan on ordering a set of inner/out tie rods for a 1970 Newport; does anybody know the part number for a set of billet sleeves? Proforged, PST, etc. - brand doesn't really matter to me as they all seem to be relatively priced the same ($60-ish bucks)?

Re: 11/16 tie rod upgrade, what are the benefits? [Re: olwhite64] #3101762
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The prices might be the same but they don't all work properly. I had Firm Fell adjusters on my Coronet but they were too long so I had to switch to PST adjusters.

Re: 11/16 tie rod upgrade, what are the benefits? [Re: AndyF] #3102410
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Originally Posted by AndyF
I always thought the point I made early in this thread was the most valid reason to upgrade and that was cost. I'm not sure if this is still true, but for a long time the C body ends and adjusters were less expensive than the ABE parts. So it was actually cheaper to install the factory 11/16 parts than to replace the stock parts. If they were also stronger then double win.


The cheaper reason was still true earlier this year when I bought parts, and it was a pretty noticeable difference. 11/16 parts seemed to make more sense...

Re: 11/16 tie rod upgrade, what are the benefits? [Re: 83hurstguy] #3102592
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i just did a quick rock auto search, and that seems not to be the case any more. i always thought the 11/16 chrysler items were cheaper as well.
using moog for my search.
chysler tie rod - $15.34, and adjuster sleeve - $14.24
dodge tie rod - $13.78, adjuster sleeve - $11.86
so who knows ? shruggy
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Re: 11/16 tie rod upgrade, what are the benefits? [Re: moparx] #3102700
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Check proforged prices... they make pretty good stuff. $20 or less on the 11/16, over $40 on the 9/16.

Re: 11/16 tie rod upgrade, what are the benefits? [Re: 83hurstguy] #3102853
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i keep forgetting about the pro forge stuff !
i have been very disappointed in moog stuff for many years because of the downgrade in quality.
however, i haven't had the need to replace anything on my own car, so my moog experience is strictly by installing moog parts brought to me for installation on other's vehicles.
beer

Re: 11/16 tie rod upgrade, what are the benefits? [Re: moparx] #3106252
12/28/22 11:40 PM
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I guarantee the greatest force on those tie rods is when parallel parking in a tight spot.

Re: 11/16 tie rod upgrade, what are the benefits? [Re: moparx] #3106253
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Originally Posted by moparx
i just did a quick rock auto search, and that seems not to be the case any more. i always thought the 11/16 chrysler items were cheaper as well.
using moog for my search.
chysler tie rod - $15.34, and adjuster sleeve - $14.24
dodge tie rod - $13.78, adjuster sleeve - $11.86
so who knows ? shruggy
beer


Strange. I show $30.79 for the Dodge tie rod ends.

Re: 11/16 tie rod upgrade, what are the benefits? [Re: 375inStroke] #3108231
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Originally Posted by 375inStroke
Originally Posted by moparx
i just did a quick rock auto search, and that seems not to be the case any more. i always thought the 11/16 chrysler items were cheaper as well.
using moog for my search.
chysler tie rod - $15.34, and adjuster sleeve - $14.24
dodge tie rod - $13.78, adjuster sleeve - $11.86
so who knows ? shruggy
beer


Strange. I show $30.79 for the Dodge tie rod ends.


Lots of places price according to zip code, so that may play into it?


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Re: 11/16 tie rod upgrade, what are the benefits? [Re: 375inStroke] #3115568
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Originally Posted by 375inStroke
I guarantee the greatest force on those tie rods is when parallel parking in a tight spot.


With a BB , wide tires, and not rolling, wonder if anyone can feel the difference? LOL


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