Re: 11/16 tie rod upgrade, what are the benefits?
[Re: Kern Dog]
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Kern Dog -- Regarding boxing the LCA, I wonder how much that is truly worth ... the race Posey T/A and Gurney AAR cars do not have them boxed... maybe SCCA TransAm rules never allowed that to be done. I've boxed my LCAs and run the 11/16" tie rods, and have the K-frame all reinforced... can't tell if it has made any difference (running competition pylon autocross, as well as HPDE/HSAX)... I suppose better to have it done vs not done.
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Re: 11/16 tie rod upgrade, what are the benefits?
[Re: AndyF]
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One other thing to consider, the longer the tie rod assembly the more likely it is to bend. So you up the diameter My 51 has a real short driver's side assembly, about a foot. The pass side is about three feet long Yeah, bumpsteer is a thing
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Re: 11/16 tie rod upgrade, what are the benefits?
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many benefits no deficits to upgrading the larger hardware other than the wallet
Use the solid aftermarket ones. . same with boxing the LCAs, aftermarket UCA's, firm feel sway bars/steering, strut rods, etc......................
I spent 22+ yrs running hot laps in high performance driving schools on Thunder Road, this is not autocross, one step less than racing, I had a car that could run with the big dogs if i wanted too. Watkins Glen 2x per yr 2days per event Do the math
At each and every 2 day event there were always upgrades that significantly lowered my lap times to the pt i was running under the "number" which is 2.5 minutes for a full lap. I have had a lot of tech support esp at the track.
If anyone want to ask me what works and wants to tune the suspension let alone a six pak please pm me ....I have data not the seat of my pants
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Re: 11/16 tie rod upgrade, what are the benefits?
[Re: AndyF]
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07/05/22 05:18 PM
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It is a classic mopar debate. Just like regular or high volume oil pumps. LH wheel studs or regular ones, Dana 60 vs Ford 9 inch, etc. People still question a 9" over a 60?
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Re: 11/16 tie rod upgrade, what are the benefits?
[Re: AndyF]
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I always thought the point I made early in this thread was the most valid reason to upgrade and that was cost. I'm not sure if this is still true, but for a long time the C body ends and adjusters were less expensive than the ABE parts. So it was actually cheaper to install the factory 11/16 parts than to replace the stock parts. If they were also stronger then double win. The cheaper reason was still true earlier this year when I bought parts, and it was a pretty noticeable difference. 11/16 parts seemed to make more sense...
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Re: 11/16 tie rod upgrade, what are the benefits?
[Re: 83hurstguy]
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12/15/22 03:57 PM
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i just did a quick rock auto search, and that seems not to be the case any more. i always thought the 11/16 chrysler items were cheaper as well. using moog for my search. chysler tie rod - $15.34, and adjuster sleeve - $14.24 dodge tie rod - $13.78, adjuster sleeve - $11.86 so who knows ?
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Re: 11/16 tie rod upgrade, what are the benefits?
[Re: 83hurstguy]
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i keep forgetting about the pro forge stuff ! i have been very disappointed in moog stuff for many years because of the downgrade in quality. however, i haven't had the need to replace anything on my own car, so my moog experience is strictly by installing moog parts brought to me for installation on other's vehicles.
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Re: 11/16 tie rod upgrade, what are the benefits?
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i just did a quick rock auto search, and that seems not to be the case any more. i always thought the 11/16 chrysler items were cheaper as well. using moog for my search. chysler tie rod - $15.34, and adjuster sleeve - $14.24 dodge tie rod - $13.78, adjuster sleeve - $11.86 so who knows ? Strange. I show $30.79 for the Dodge tie rod ends.
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Re: 11/16 tie rod upgrade, what are the benefits?
[Re: 375inStroke]
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i just did a quick rock auto search, and that seems not to be the case any more. i always thought the 11/16 chrysler items were cheaper as well. using moog for my search. chysler tie rod - $15.34, and adjuster sleeve - $14.24 dodge tie rod - $13.78, adjuster sleeve - $11.86 so who knows ? Strange. I show $30.79 for the Dodge tie rod ends. Lots of places price according to zip code, so that may play into it?
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Re: 11/16 tie rod upgrade, what are the benefits?
[Re: 375inStroke]
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I guarantee the greatest force on those tie rods is when parallel parking in a tight spot. With a BB , wide tires, and not rolling, wonder if anyone can feel the difference? LOL
Reality check, that half the population is smarter then 50% of the people and it's a constantly contested fact.
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Re: 11/16 tie rod upgrade, what are the benefits?
[Re: jcc]
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03/20/23 12:31 PM
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This IMO should not go unshared. I've leave my conclusions out. Last weekend at Sebring Corvette had a C8 cutaway on display among others. What caught my eye was the unmentioned/unnoted front wheel AWD? drivetrain. But what I saw in the attached pic to this thread also is pertinent. So keep in mind, this is a 60 year newer design chassis then our cars, its weight is approx 3600lbs w/o driver, it is an OEM daily street car, potentially over $100K, 670hp, pulls 1.03g on skid pad, has a nearly 50/50 weight balance with driver, tops out stock at 184mph, has a front tire 275/30x20 with electric PS, and appears to use a 1/2-9/16" steering tie rod which I did not measure.
Reality check, that half the population is smarter then 50% of the people and it's a constantly contested fact.
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Re: 11/16 tie rod upgrade, what are the benefits?
[Re: jcc]
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03/20/23 03:24 PM
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that does look rather tiny, compared to what one would expect from a vehicle capable of way more handling prowess than our rides. could that be 13, 14, or 15mm thread instead of UNF thread size ? i have always wondered how OEM's decide on, or test for, thread/bolt size per application, as i know about thread strength in shear applications, and always seem to want to go way more/larger than necessary so as to ensure myself the bolt/thread size will not cause problems in the application i am contemplating.
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Re: 11/16 tie rod upgrade, what are the benefits?
[Re: moparx]
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03/20/23 05:25 PM
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I use 14mm wheel studs, and it was it definitely did not even "look" 14mm (9/16"), but the main point here is that it was not 11/16"
Reality check, that half the population is smarter then 50% of the people and it's a constantly contested fact.
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