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Re: Nostalgia Pro Stock Association is here! [Re: HMcCandless_Jr] #309822
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Some ride for sure, no comparison to an auto.
My last ride was more than I could handle.
Got away from me into 2nd gear, put it ino the opposing lane concrete wall.
Now its sitting waiting funds.
Would I trade it for an auto???
I'd rather walk...
Found issue with brake system that didnt help entire situation.

Re: Nostalgia Pro Stock Association is here! [Re: HMcCandless_Jr] #309823
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I drove that car about 100 feet and in the trailer one time, my dad 72 demon I'm talking about. To look at the carb linkage with 1 to 1 on 8 barrels and just think about putting it at 7500 and dumping the clutch is .........well you cant put it in to words. To think his job everyday was to get PAID to match race that car 3 to 4 days a week is hard to imagine.


AND that's what I'm talking about. We've gotten so lazy thhat we forget this whole race "thing is a demonstration of skill. Oh definitely reaction times are a essential, but once you leave the line, c'mon, GET BACK TO WORK! My Altered is a kick,& about 3 sec. quicker than my old SBC-powered Pinto that had been an old P/S ateempt years ago ---wish I had it back. WHy? I HAD TO SHIFT IT! So the speed isn't the only thing here, it's the work,& skill involved intrying to get this type of cars down the track. It WOULD be interesting to see an automatic P/S car but more for "freak" value than anything else. Put an auto ina P/S car and all you have (really) is a S/C car that everyone else has................







Racers today have no idea what is was like back then.




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Ok, here’s the PRELIMINARY rules. To summarize, this is a nostalgia footbrake class. The intent is to put on a show, for fun, which participants can compete in affordably. Hemi, Big Block and Small Block engines (with a weight reduction) are eligible to compete. No trans brakes or 2 steps. Automatics allowed, though not encouraged in new builds. Let the shredding begin…

Nostalgia Pro Stock

1. Classes:
Footbrake class open to vehicles formerly used in Pro Stock competition. Vehicles need not be authentic former Pro Stock cars. Clone cars acceptable. Tribute (period correct) cars acceptable. The following vehicles are eligible to compete:
Class I: 1969-70 AMC AMX, 1971-74 AMC Javelin, 1971-77 AMC Hornet, 1969-73 Chevrolet Camaro, 1969-74 Chevrolet Nova, 1970-74 Dodge Challenger, 1971-72 Dodge Demon, 1973-76 Dodge Dart Sport 1970-77 Ford Maverick, 1969-70 Mercury Cougar, 1971-77 Mercury Comet, 1969-73 Ford Mustang, 1969-74 Plymouth Barracuda, 1970-76 Plymouth Duster, 1969-73 Pontiac Firebird.
Class II: 1970-78 AMC Gremlin, 1971-77 Chevrolet Vega, 1974-81 Chevrolet Camaro, 1971-78 Dodge Colt, 1976-80 Dodge Aspen, 1978-83 Dodge Challenger, 1978-83 Dodge Omni 024/Charger, 1971-79 Ford Pinto, 1974-81 Ford Mustang II, 1971-73 Plymouth Cricket, 1976-80 Plymouth Volare, 1976-80 Plymouth Arrow, 1978-83 Plymouth Horizon TC3/Turismo, 1974-81 Pontiac Firebird.
All vehicles must dial at an established class index during eliminations: (8.00, 8.50, 9.00, 9.50, 10.00). Contestants will qualify based on running closest to their index without running quicker, during time trials. Vehicles may not run quicker than their index during eliminations. Cars will be laddered beginning with the first round of eliminations.

2. Ballast:
Removable ballast limited to 250 pounds. Weight must be installed in acceptable weight box, installed in trunk and attached to the frame or cross member. No liquid or loose ballast permitted.

3: Body:
a. Class I: Minimum wheelbase 100 inches. Original steel body shell must be retained. Bodies in white acceptable. Alterations permitted if retaining an overall stock appearance. Excessive weight reduction must not be visible. Fiberglass or other lightweight body panels are allowed for front fenders, hood, doors, bumpers, splash panels, valance panels and deck lid.
Class II: Minimum wheelbase 92 inches. Original steel body shell required. Alterations permitted if retaining an overall stock appearance. Fiberglass or other lightweight body panels are allowed for front fenders, hood, doors, bumpers, splash panels, valance panels and deck lid.
b. Fender Splash Pans: Full inner panels are not required.
c. Firewall: Firewall may be moved rearward from stock location for engine installation. May be replaced with .028 inch steel or .040 inch aluminum.
d. Floors: May be replaced with .028 inch steel or .040 inch aluminum.
e. Frame: Class I: Must use stock frame for car body used. Properly reinforced stepped frames permitted. Cross members may only be altered or relocated for engine or transmission clearance. Additional members may be added for roll cage installation. Class II: Any properly reinforced frame (tube chassis) permitted. Additional members may be added for roll cage installation.
f. Grille: Must be full production for make, model and year claimed. Covering in front of grille prohibited. Vehicle must retain stock head lamps, tail lamps and turn signals.
g. Hood/Scoop: Hood required in all classes. Hood may be modified to clear intake manifold. Era-correct (snorkel, lump) hood scoop required. No “aero” scoops permitted.
h. Interior: Upholstered aftermarket front bucket type seats permitted (two required). Rear seat may be removed. Aftermarket dashboard with aftermarket gauges allowed.
i. Spoilers: OEM spoilers allowed. All rear spoilers other than those originally factory installed must not be more than four inches high and must be mounted behind the rear axle. Any rear spoiler must be integrated into the overall body design and be painted to match. No air dams.
j. Windows: Windshield and windows must be of safety glass, Lexan, Plexiglass, or other shatter-proof material. Windows not required to be operative.
k. Wheel Tubs: Wheel tubs of any size are allowed if legal wheels and tires are positioned in stock location relative to exterior body lines.

4. Brakes:
Brakes required on all four wheels. Aftermarket units allowed. Line-locks permitted.

5. Chassis:
Sub frames may be joined. Rear frame may be moved in or reconstructed for rear tire and wheel tub clearance. Roll cage required in all vehicles per NHRA General Regulation 4:11. Vehicles must have current NHRA chassis inspection sticker.

6. Drivetrain:
a. Any transmission with a maximum of five forward speeds and reverse allowed. Clutchless units accepted. Must remain in conventional location determined by engine used.
b. Rear End: Any rear end allowed, provided it was original equipment in an American production car. Aftermarket housings and axles, along with any gear ratio, are allowed.
c. Driveshaft Loop: Required.

7. Electrical:
Battery may be relocated. Electrically driven fans and water pumps permitted. Charging system not required.

8. Electronics:
a. The following electronics are not permitted; timed ignition interruption devices (stutter boxes), delay boxes, air and mechanical throttle stops, trans brakes, air shifters, dual line locks.
b. Computers and Data Recorders are allowed as long as they do not activate any function of the vehicle. Playback tachometers are allowed. No front wheel, hub or drive shaft pickups.
c. Electronic ignition components are permitted. Rpm limiters may be used for burnout and high side only, not as a launch device. 2 and 3 Step Module Selectors not permitted.

9. Engine:
a. Block: Restricted to original assembly line block or aftermarket replacement block. Must be same make as body used. Aluminum blocks allowed. Any displacement and internal modifications are allowed.
b. Carburetion: Limited to two four-barrel American automotive carburetors.
c. Cylinder Heads: Aluminum aftermarket heads allowed. Must retain original external overall appearance. Any internal modifications allowed.
d. Intake Manifold: Any dual four intake manifold permitted.
e. Oiling System: Dry sump systems permitted.

10. Exhaust:
Open headers allowed.

11. Fuel:
Only gasoline fuel is permitted. Aftermarket fuel cells, electric fuel pumps and regulators allowed. No nitrous oxide.

12. Ignition:
Any aftermarket ignition systems, wiring and electronic conversion kits are allowed. See “General Racing Rules” for electronics restrictions.

13. Radiator:
Any size radiator in stock location allowed. 16 oz. catch can required.

14. Safety:
a. Helmets: Must meet SNELL or SFI 31.2A or 41.2A specifications. All helmets must have the appropriate certification sticker affixed inside the helmet.
b. Protective Clothing: Jacket and pants must meet SFI Spec 3.2A/5.
c. Seat Belts: Required in all vehicles. Three inch safety harness must meet SFI Spec 16.1 and be less than two years old.

15. Steering:
Stock type steering in conventional location required. Rack and pinion steering permitted.

16. Suspension:
Aftermarket front suspension permitted. Front suspension limiters permitted. Sway bar optional. Solid bushings in rear suspension allowed. Leaf springs may be moved inboard for tire clearance. Ladder bars or four-link rear suspensions allowed. Wheelie bars allowed.

17. Tires:
Front tires must have a minimum tread width of 4.5 inches. Rear slicks are permitted and are limited to a maximum side wall designation of 14.5 inches of width by 33 inches of diameter. Tire tread may not extend outside of fender. Maximum clearance between sidewall and body is 3 inches.

18. Weight:
Class I: Minimum weight 2400 pounds. Vehicle with 366 cubic inch engine or less may weigh 2100 pounds.
Class II: Minimum weight 2100 pounds.

19. Wheelbase:
Modifications permitted, +/- 1 inch. Alterations may not exceed 2%. Wink, wink.

20. Wheels:
Minimum 3.5 inches width required on the front. Any rear width is allowed as long as it fits under the stock wheel well opening.

21. Rule Discrepancy: In the event of a rule discrepancy or if a subject is not covered herein, defer to the current NHRA rule book based on vehicle Elapsed Time.

22. Technical Inspection: The guidelines set within, and the safety rules set forth by NHRA are intended solely as the minimum acceptable standards. Safety is the responsibility of the participant. Prior to competition, all vehicles and drivers must pass the host facility’s tech inspection. NHRA safety regulations supersede any and all other regulations. The final interpretation of any and all rules concerning safety is solely at the discretion of the host facility’s Tech Director. NNPSA makes no representations, warranties, or assurances that a technical inspection will: detect every problem with a vehicle or a driver’s personal equipment or clothing; detect every problem with rules compliance, or prevent injury, death or property damage. All materials copyright 2009 Jeff Johnson and the National Nostalgic Pro Stock Association.

Re: Nostalgia Pro Stock Association is here! [Re: sixpackjeff] #309825
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You could see a McCandless running this possibly. It wont be Herb Sr. But Myself and Mike may.


Herb Jr

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Thanks Herb. Tell the "old man" I said hi.

Re: Nostalgia Pro Stock Association is here! [Re: sixpackjeff] #309827
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I'll give it a try.

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Re: Nostalgia Pro Stock Association is here! [Re: HMcCandless_Jr] #309828
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Jeff,
Have you talked with John Troxel and Scott Gardner, promoters of the "Midwest Nostalgia Pro Stock Series" ??
Their rules are similar and I think you have a better chance of having new cars built if there are a couple of venues at which the racers can participate using the same rules. I'm, of course, partial to their rules as they specify 4 speed only transmissions. It will be interesting as to which series will become more popular. I have a hunch. Heres a link to a Drag Racing Online article covering their series:
http://www.dragracingonline.com/agent1320/2009/1320-xi_1-13.html

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Hmmm Nostalgia Footbrake.
Gonna pass on that.

Thanks all the same.

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From what I read, they are only considering a series. With those limited rules and the fact that most owners of original cars will not race theirs, where are they getting their car count? Having done this before, 8 cars is a stretch. 16 cars? No way. Especially with the auto/trans brake/2-step debate. Our series is a done deal. We just need to compromise on the final rules. Please keep the input coming! BTW: your Duster... das what I'm talkin' 'bout!

Re: Nostalgia Pro Stock Association is here! [Re: theclutcher] #309831
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Hmmm Nostalgia Footbrake.
Gonna pass on that.

Thanks all the same.




How about Nostalgia Delay Box?

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They do have 3 races booked- St. Louis. Kansas City and Cordova.

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Looks like my '74 Colt will not fit the Class II body requirements.

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Looks like my '74 Colt will not fit the Class II body requirements.



Why is that?

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I can remove the cover over the grille, but I do not have the factory head lights(decal now) and the front turn signals have been removed and filled in.

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Chucko, you can pretty easily find those parts---I'll happily pit for you!
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Our deal is a done deal. The class & rules as listed on Drag Racing Online will be contested at the Muscle Car Reunion & Nostalgia Drags May 29-31, Gateway International Raceway; Nostalgia Fest, Cordova Raceway June 26-27; Muscle Car Reunion & Nostalgia Drags, September 11-13, Kansas City Internationa Raceway. I won't have time to debate this class here as we are getting ready for our event in St. Louis, so, if you have questions call us directly. Our event phone is 573-644-3272. Our events are 1974 and back, the rules are simple. We don't want another class that takes a specialized team of tech guys to tech the cars. If you want to run, be there. If no one shows this year, it's simple, the class goes away. We are not interested in running the class above with those rules. Not one person is pre registered for the class and pre registration is closed with over 200 cars entered for St Louis. We expect close to 500 cars, 400 competed last year. If no one supports the class our events continue on, but, we would like to have another heads up class other than the alcohol & nitro classes.
John Troxel
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Hmmm Nostalgia Footbrake.
Gonna pass on that.

Thanks all the same.




How about Nostalgia Delay Box?




Those rules put a manual trans at a disadvantage right off the get go.

The stall of the converter is basically a low side rpm limiter.
A manual trans is less consistant at launch without a low side chip.
Allow a 2 step with the manuals and maybe you would encourage their usage.
The playing field would be equal then.

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Those rules put a manual trans at a disadvantage right off the get go.

The stall of the converter is basically a low side rpm limiter.
A manual trans is less consistant at launch without a low side chip.
Allow a 2 step with the manuals and maybe you would encourage their usage.
The playing field would be equal then.




Scott is right about that. There is no reason not to allow two steps on a stick car.

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Sorry John. I had no idea you were that far along. I meant no disrespect. My friend Jeff Martin at KCIR tells me your events are fantastic. We'll talk when things slow down.

Also here's a pic I took of Jim Thompson's 340 Pro Stock - B/A Colt at the 1976 Springs.

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Those rules put a manual trans at a disadvantage right off the get go.

The stall of the converter is basically a low side rpm limiter.
A manual trans is less consistant at launch without a low side chip.
Allow a 2 step with the manuals and maybe you would encourage their usage.
The playing field would be equal then.




Scott is right about that. There is no reason not to allow two steps on a stick car.




I agree. I'm been PM'd by others. Consider 2-Steps allowed with a stick.

Here's Kevin's Missle in 1978.

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