Re: Why it's best to wear protective motorcycle gear even if you
[Re: Rhinodart]
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Been down three times without a helmet on, according to you guys I should be maimed, destroyed, and dead! Read my first sentence, and you can keep telling all the anecdotes you want, nobody will change my mind. I am thinking of NOT moving to Tennessee because of their archaic "everyone must wear a helmet" law! If I want to wear one then I will, nobody should forced to do anything against their will... it is YOUR choice, I do know more than one motorcycle riders that are still in coma's after crashing many years ago without a helmet on I saw one guy die after he got pitch off of his Yamaha 850 4 stroke triple road bike not wearing a helmet. He owned a junkyard in Hesperia, CA and one of his customers had a Suzuki 750 triple two stroke chopper, they raced each (without helmets or any other riding gear) other3 times up and down the road in front of the junkyard, the Suzuki beat him every time and beat him worst each time they raced. After the last race the owner of the junkyard was downshifting and trying to stop in time to turn into the driveway to his yard and the bike started hopping and ended up throwing him off of it into the ditch beside the road, he slid on his back into the ditch and hit his head on a large rock splitting his skull wide open. That crash happened at probably below 30 MPH That was on a Saturday around noon, he died later that afternoon while being transported to a hospital is what I learned when I stop by his yard on Monday morning to find out how he was doing
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Re: Why it's best to wear protective motorcycle gear even if you
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Please have plenty of insurance too so we don't have to fund your care if you end up really messed up. People fall down skating, hit their head and die. If your number is up, bye bye
The outliers of the broken neck bs compared to the lives saved is miniscule.
If helmets didn't do any good, nobody in motorsports would be required to wear one.
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Re: Why it's best to wear protective motorcycle gear even if you
[Re: 56_Royal_Lancer]
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11/15/22 10:55 PM
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When its your time to die, its your time. No one and no thing will prevent it from happening.
Along the same lines, if its not your time, its not your time.
We have all seen things that have happened to people where we are amazed they are still alive and walking around, and we have all seen things where people have died where we can't believe they died from that.
Bottom line? Let the people live their lives as they choose, as long as its not hurting you or your family. Personal safety is indeed personal safety. It is not your right or duty to interject your personal safety on to me or anyone else.
When I was young and a wild driver, I made the decision not to ride bikes because I figured I would end up killing myself. It was my decision. If you want to ride, go for it, and wear what ever you feel comfortable with.
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Re: Why it's best to wear protective motorcycle gear even if you
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11/16/22 01:19 AM
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Decided on "Rolling the dice and taking my chances".............what could possibly go wrong? At least I'm wearing protective eyewear, only because it seems to be a law in every State except Iowa (is that forced personal safety?) Eye Protection Requirements for Motorcycle RidersEvery state—with the exception of Iowa—requires all motorcycle riders to have eye protection. If a rider does choose not to wear a helmet, they are still required to have eye protection by either wearing goggles or having a windshield. Some states have regulations specifying what type of eyewear is permitted, while others, like Kansas, simply require that the eyewear be shatterproof and scratch-resistant. DOT-certified goggles and glasses will generally satisfy these requirements, but check with local rules if you intend to use prescription glasses.
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Re: Why it's best to wear protective motorcycle gear even if you
[Re: poorboy]
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11/16/22 10:15 AM
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When its your time to die, its your time. No one and no thing will prevent it from happening.
Along the same lines, if its not your time, its not your time.
We have all seen things that have happened to people where we are amazed they are still alive and walking around, and we have all seen things where people have died where we can't believe they died from that.
Bottom line? Let the people live their lives as they choose, as long as its not hurting you or your family. Personal safety is indeed personal safety. It is not your right or duty to interject your personal safety on to me or anyone else.
When I was young and a wild driver, I made the decision not to ride bikes because I figured I would end up killing myself. It was my decision. If you want to ride, go for it, and wear what ever you feel comfortable with. The problem with that logic is that sometimes you don't simply die immediately all clean and tidy. (At least not right away). When I was kid a teenager in the neighborhood was fooling around on his little honda motorcycle. Front tire slipped on a flattened soda can and he went down and hit his head--closed head injury. He lived for another 25 or so years but was totally dependent on his entire family (mostly his mom) for literally everything. To feed him, bathe him, He eventually passed away from a lung infection. Not sure what would have happened if he would have outlived his mother. I guess he would have been a ward of the state relying on tax money and the kidness of strangers..
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Re: Why it's best to wear protective motorcycle gear even if you
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11/16/22 10:18 AM
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I hit a turkey buzzard once. Stayed up, took the windscreen out. What a mess it made (Bird sh*t). I'm a AGAT ridderr (All The Gear All the Time).
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Re: Why it's best to wear protective motorcycle gear even if you
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11/16/22 11:03 AM
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Please have plenty of insurance too so we don't have to fund your care if you end up really messed up. People fall down skating, hit their head and die. If your number is up, bye bye
The outliers of the broken neck bs compared to the lives saved is miniscule.
If helmets didn't do any good, nobody in motorsports would be required to wear one. Says right on the helmet something like not good for anything over 5mph, had a few helmets that had that label on them and they were Snell rated. Keep the anecdotes coming, I must be the luckiest guy in the world riding for 50 years and still being alive! I pretty much always rode with a helmet off road, been down hundreds of times while not on the highway and to me it makes more sense then dulling your senses on the highway whey you need them most... As far as eye protection is concerned I HAVE to wear it because I had gunpowder ignite in my face when I was 17 and my eyes are sensitive to wind, so I have to have a windscreen and glasses on. Illinois law states that you don't have to wear eyewear if the windshield is so many inches above the handlebars, too lazy to look up the exact law but I remember it when I was a board member of Illinois ABATE...
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Re: Why it's best to wear protective motorcycle gear even if you
[Re: Rhinodart]
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11/16/22 12:21 PM
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As far as eye protection is concerned I HAVE to wear it because I had gunpowder ignite in my face when I was 17 and my eyes are sensitive to wind, Well if you had protective gear on (safety googles) your eye's wouldn't have been damaged Sorry just being an a-s and joking. I say it should be the individuals choice much like seatbelts. I wear them others don't. their choice But I will say their families and friends are the ones who usually pay the price. That is what made my decisions
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Re: Why it's best to wear protective motorcycle gear even if you
[Re: Rhinodart]
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11/16/22 12:47 PM
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... I must be the luckiest guy in the world riding for 50 years and still being alive! I just think you're old-school biker and a slow learner. Like's been said by others before me, common sense isn't as common as people believe. Stay safe, regardless
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Re: Why it's best to wear protective motorcycle gear even if you
[Re: Rhinodart]
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11/16/22 01:31 PM
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Been down three times without a helmet on, according to you guys I should be maimed, destroyed, and dead! Same for me, road rash is all I got. Read my first sentence, and you can keep telling all the anecdotes you want, nobody will change my mind. I am thinking of NOT moving to Tennessee because of their archaic "everyone must wear a helmet" law! If I want to wear one then I will, nobody should forced to do anything against their will... Couldn't have said it better, I'm a firm "let those who ride decide" advocate.
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Re: Why it's best to wear protective motorcycle gear even if you
[Re: Rhinodart]
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Please have plenty of insurance too so we don't have to fund your care if you end up really messed up. People fall down skating, hit their head and die. If your number is up, bye bye
The outliers of the broken neck bs compared to the lives saved is miniscule.
If helmets didn't do any good, nobody in motorsports would be required to wear one. Says right on the helmet something like not good for anything over 5mph, had a few helmets that had that label on them and they were Snell rated. Keep the anecdotes coming, I must be the luckiest guy in the world riding for 50 years and still being alive! I pretty much always rode with a helmet off road, been down hundreds of times while not on the highway and to me it makes more sense then dulling your senses on the highway whey you need them most... As far as eye protection is concerned I HAVE to wear it because I had gunpowder ignite in my face when I was 17 and my eyes are sensitive to wind, so I have to have a windscreen and glasses on. Illinois law states that you don't have to wear eyewear if the windshield is so many inches above the handlebars, too lazy to look up the exact law but I remember it when I was a board member of Illinois ABATE... Yet motorsports require the useless things. Got it. Don't care if you do or don't... don't be a burden to the rest of us if you happen to have a poor result from that decision.
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Re: Why it's best to wear protective motorcycle gear even if you
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When its your time to die, its your time. No one and no thing will prevent it from happening.
Along the same lines, if its not your time, its not your time.
We have all seen things that have happened to people where we are amazed they are still alive and walking around, and we have all seen things where people have died where we can't believe they died from that.
Bottom line? Let the people live their lives as they choose, as long as its not hurting you or your family. Personal safety is indeed personal safety. It is not your right or duty to interject your personal safety on to me or anyone else.
When I was young and a wild driver, I made the decision not to ride bikes because I figured I would end up killing myself. It was my decision. If you want to ride, go for it, and wear what ever you feel comfortable with. This man gets it! We ALL make choices about our safety everyday. Some are better than others. As a Construction Manager, who has held thousand of safety tail-gate meetings, it amazed me to watch what "some people" would do, even when they knew it was dangerous! The only reason OSHA and "Safety" Rules came about is because of them. I have seen to many people die because their own actions! So wear your PPE or don't....and live and die by those decisions.
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Re: Why it's best to wear protective motorcycle gear even if you
[Re: crackedback]
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Please have plenty of insurance too so we don't have to fund your care if you end up really messed up. People fall down skating, hit their head and die. If your number is up, bye bye
The outliers of the broken neck bs compared to the lives saved is miniscule.
If helmets didn't do any good, nobody in motorsports would be required to wear one. Says right on the helmet something like not good for anything over 5mph, had a few helmets that had that label on them and they were Snell rated. Keep the anecdotes coming, I must be the luckiest guy in the world riding for 50 years and still being alive! I pretty much always rode with a helmet off road, been down hundreds of times while not on the highway and to me it makes more sense then dulling your senses on the highway whey you need them most... As far as eye protection is concerned I HAVE to wear it because I had gunpowder ignite in my face when I was 17 and my eyes are sensitive to wind, so I have to have a windscreen and glasses on. Illinois law states that you don't have to wear eyewear if the windshield is so many inches above the handlebars, too lazy to look up the exact law but I remember it when I was a board member of Illinois ABATE... Yet motorsports require the useless things. Got it. Yes they do....as they would be held liable if they didn't! Just as "loud Pipes Saves Life's" so does a "Brain Bucket"
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Re: Why it's best to wear protective motorcycle gear even if you
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11/16/22 01:50 PM
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Couldn't have said it better, I'm a firm "let those who ride decide" advocate.
Just make sure all your insurance premiums are paid up, because as a taxpayer I am a fan of "let those who pay have the say". Too many folks in this world don't want to be told what to do, but then expect someone else to pay the toll when their bad decisions come home to roost.
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Re: Why it's best to wear protective motorcycle gear even if you
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Please have plenty of insurance too so we don't have to fund your care if you end up really messed up. People fall down skating, hit their head and die. If your number is up, bye bye
The outliers of the broken neck bs compared to the lives saved is miniscule.
If helmets didn't do any good, nobody in motorsports would be required to wear one. Says right on the helmet something like not good for anything over 5mph, had a few helmets that had that label on them and they were Snell rated. Keep the anecdotes coming, I must be the luckiest guy in the world riding for 50 years and still being alive! I pretty much always rode with a helmet off road, been down hundreds of times while not on the highway and to me it makes more sense then dulling your senses on the highway whey you need them most... As far as eye protection is concerned I HAVE to wear it because I had gunpowder ignite in my face when I was 17 and my eyes are sensitive to wind, so I have to have a windscreen and glasses on. Illinois law states that you don't have to wear eyewear if the windshield is so many inches above the handlebars, too lazy to look up the exact law but I remember it when I was a board member of Illinois ABATE... Yet motorsports require the useless things. Got it. Don't care if you do or don't... don't be a burden to the rest of us if you happen to have a poor result from that decision. I have plenty of insurance, some state MAKE you have the insurance, And to the one who says common sense applies, I used to teach common sense when I was a college instructor, yes it CAN be taught. And I also believe that the day you were conceived your life was programmed by the creator, there is almost nothing you can do about the day you were born and the die you will die regardless of what everybody else thinks...
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Re: Why it's best to wear protective motorcycle gear even if you
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Please have plenty of insurance too so we don't have to fund your care if you end up really messed up. People fall down skating, hit their head and die. If your number is up, bye bye
The outliers of the broken neck bs compared to the lives saved is miniscule.
If helmets didn't do any good, nobody in motorsports would be required to wear one. Says right on the helmet something like not good for anything over 5mph, had a few helmets that had that label on them and they were Snell rated. Keep the anecdotes coming, I must be the luckiest guy in the world riding for 50 years and still being alive! I pretty much always rode with a helmet off road, been down hundreds of times while not on the highway and to me it makes more sense then dulling your senses on the highway whey you need them most... As far as eye protection is concerned I HAVE to wear it because I had gunpowder ignite in my face when I was 17 and my eyes are sensitive to wind, so I have to have a windscreen and glasses on. Illinois law states that you don't have to wear eyewear if the windshield is so many inches above the handlebars, too lazy to look up the exact law but I remember it when I was a board member of Illinois ABATE... Yet motorsports require the useless things. Got it. Yes they do....as they would be held liable if they didn't! Just as "loud Pipes Saves Life's" so does a "Brain Bucket" I saw the results of the fully "protected" bike rider that missed a curve at about 80 mph and drove the bike through an Aerostar Ford van. He hit the van just to the right side of the center of the front bumper, missed the motor by inches, went through the dash and came out through the back hatch. All that safety equipment he was wearing didn't help much. The only thing the brain bucket did was made it easier to identify who the guy was, but those riding with him knew his name. For the record, If I get injured to the point someone has to do everything for me, weather it be by my decisions, or someone else's decisions, you have my permission to pull the plug. That is not the kind of living I want. That decision of mine is on every medical and legal document I've ever signed. As far as motorsports, if I want to participate in their activities at their facilities, I have to decide to follow their rules, ignore the rules and take a chance of getting booted out and off their grounds, or to not participate. That is how the game is played. I believe there is often too much protection available for stupid people, that is one of the reasons the world is in the shape its currently in. I'm including myself in that statement at some level. As my old buddy Forrest Gump says "Stupid is what stupid does." As long as the consequences for stupid actions only effect the stupid person, they should be able to be as stupid as they want.
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