Re: WHAT ENGINE OPTION
[Re: 2002bluert]
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Re: WHAT ENGINE OPTION
[Re: 2002bluert]
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11/10/22 09:14 AM
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A later generation modern Hemi (2011 and up) with the overdrive tranny would be a a great powertrain in that car. Lighter, more fuel efficient and equally powerful compared to building a 440. Yes 440s have appeal but the modern Hemi breaths better unless you spend for really good alum. 440 cylinder heads.
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Re: WHAT ENGINE OPTION
[Re: 2002bluert]
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11/10/22 09:30 AM
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Does money or complexity play a role in the decision? One route would seem cheaper and simpler than the other.
The 5.7 is not real expensive and are plentiful. The 6.4s are typically expensive and sometimes hard to find. And the super charged (Hellcat) 6.2 can be even more expensive that the Gen 2 Hemi to buy. Then there's the install costs and that's where the complexity really kicks in. Especially if the original injection and electronics are retained.
Modern engines, like modern wheels and tires on our old muscle cars don't always meet with acceptance.
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Re: WHAT ENGINE OPTION
[Re: hudsonhornet7x]
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11/10/22 11:37 AM
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How about a small block stroker? The car is already setup for one and a 408 with good heads would be a wicked engine for an e-body This would certainly be the easiest. Although the other options are good ones.
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Re: WHAT ENGINE OPTION
[Re: Jim_Lusk]
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11/10/22 12:32 PM
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what budget do you have ? any good junkyards, er, i mean, "recycle" places you can browse for what you will need for parts ? how good are your fabrication skills when you can't find what you need ? how good are your electrical skills ? this is especially important if you choose to go modern power plant with computer controlled devices you need to integrate with a simple older wiring system. just a few things i thought of. not trying to say you don't have the skills to do a swap of your choice, just some things that have bit my old bony azz in the past.
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Re: WHAT ENGINE OPTION
[Re: hudsonhornet7x]
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11/10/22 04:07 PM
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How about a small block stroker? The car is already setup for one and a 408 with good heads would be a wicked engine for an e-body Agree.
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Re: WHAT ENGINE OPTION
[Re: Cab_Burge]
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11/10/22 10:21 PM
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What do you want from it? Step 1 Is answering the above question Step 2. Is how are you honestly going to use it Step 3. Answer the budget question Step 4. Answer 1,2 &3. Then Start putting numbers down on paper. BE THOROUGH. I usually tell people get a catalog form you vendor of choice. Start at page1 and go completely through the catalog writing down everything you want to replace or that will be required. Then add the items not in the catalog, any labor you're out sourcing and total it up If you do 4 correctly and thoroughly it will help answer your question
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Re: WHAT ENGINE OPTION
[Re: Neil]
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In my world, the choice would be easy, but its not my world, its yours.
You are the guy that needs to feed it, and take care of it when your done. Give a lot of thought as to what you intend to do with the car after your drop $20 K into it. A weekly trip to the ice cream store with the wife & kids (or grand kids) is a different build then one competing for trophies at shows, and that build is different then racing to win at a strip, and that is different then competing at an autocross track. Even a get a car out and have fun every weekend can look a lot different then any of the above. Trying to cover them all will only lead to disappointment on all levels.
Figure out what you want the end product to do, then build accordingly.
Its much better to figure out what you want the car to do, and build it to do that then it is to build the car one way, then figure out that wasn't what you wanted, and then try to change it to meet your goals. A car built as an all out tubbed and caged pro street car is not a fun car to go for a 200 mile ride with the family and its vey costly to change it over. What we think doesn't matter at all.
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Re: WHAT ENGINE OPTION
[Re: TJP]
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What do you want from it? Step 1 Is answering the above question Step 2. Is how are you honestly going to use it Step 3. Answer the budget question Step 4. Answer 1,2 &3. Then Start putting numbers down on paper. BE THOROUGH. I usually tell people get a catalog form you vendor of choice. Start at page1 and go completely through the catalog writing down everything you want to replace or that will be required. Then add the items not in the catalog, any labor you're out sourcing and total it up If you do 4 correctly and thoroughly it will help answer your question take step 4 and multiply by at least two.
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Re: WHAT ENGINE OPTION
[Re: abodyjoe]
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I think a modern hemi would be a smart swap. Even a bone stock 5.7 from a truck would be 390HP. If your desires are a nice driving car and not racing using as much factory electronics as you can would net you a great performing car that gets good MPG, great reliability, and you would still be able to roast the tires off no problem lol.
If you are starting from scratch modern power is a good option for any car really.
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Re: WHAT ENGINE OPTION
[Re: moparx]
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What do you want from it? Step 1 Is answering the above question Step 2. Is how are you honestly going to use it Step 3. Answer the budget question Step 4. Answer 1,2 &3. Then Start putting numbers down on paper. BE THOROUGH. I usually tell people get a catalog form you vendor of choice. Start at page1 and go completely through the catalog writing down everything you want to replace or that will be required. Then add the items not in the catalog, any labor you're out sourcing and total it up If you do 4 correctly and thoroughly it will help answer your question take step 4 and multiply by at least two. Especially so if this is ones first attempt, might even go 3X,
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Re: WHAT ENGINE OPTION
[Re: TJP]
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Thanks for all the input, I don't plan on racing the car at the track and plan on driving the car lots in the summer on nice days. I enjoy going to a lot of out of town car meets and to local ones as well. Some meets can be a few hours away and i wont be trailering it. It is a pretty low option Challenger with a rebuilt factory 318 auto and 8 3/4rear end. I also have a lot of parts to clone it to look like an R/T including a set of elastomeric bumpers.
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Re: WHAT ENGINE OPTION
[Re: 2002bluert]
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12/02/22 11:43 PM
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Thanks for all the input, I don't plan on racing the car at the track and plan on driving the car lots in the summer on nice days. I enjoy going to a lot of out of town car meets and to local ones as well. Some meets can be a few hours away and i wont be trailering it. It is a pretty low option Challenger with a rebuilt factory 318 auto and 8 3/4rear end. To me, this is an easy answer. A rebuilt 318 is pretty darn reliable. Repaint it, dress it up with the wheels of your choice, maybe add a dual exhaust for the rumble, and enjoy the heck out of it.
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Re: WHAT ENGINE OPTION
[Re: grancuda]
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12/03/22 12:28 AM
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Long distance cruiser I'd go with a nice 340/360/408 and some sort of OD trans. Could even stroke the 318 with a 340 stroker crank and put some better heads on it too.
If you go with a 360 get a 5.9 Magnum engine block as they use a roller camshaft. Might as well take advantage of that if starting from scratch.
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Re: WHAT ENGINE OPTION
[Re: Jer]
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Thanks for all the input, I don't plan on racing the car at the track and plan on driving the car lots in the summer on nice days. I enjoy going to a lot of out of town car meets and to local ones as well. Some meets can be a few hours away and i wont be trailering it. It is a pretty low option Challenger with a rebuilt factory 318 auto and 8 3/4rear end. To me, this is an easy answer. A rebuilt 318 is pretty darn reliable. Repaint it, dress it up with the wheels of your choice, maybe add a dual exhaust for the rumble, and enjoy the heck out of it. I agree with this answer. The simple and cheapest answer is to add a four barrel intake and carburetor if doesn't already have one. Some headers (worse case) and dual exhaust with lower gears if desired. If he has to have a 440 then look for a running motorhome engine swap on intake, HP Manifolds or headers, and be done. I would suggest a camshaft swap but, with I've seen lately he'll be taking a risk with an improperly machined camshaft itself or defective lifters. The other contender would be if he wanted to build the 440 is having a reputable machine shop or engine builder and accounting for any potential part delays.
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Re: WHAT ENGINE OPTION
[Re: moparx]
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12/04/22 09:33 PM
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i see you have seen and evicted many of the same "gremlins" i have dealt with over the years. Yes, it is a common area that is poorly done by most as they have no training in the area and most of the DIY kits Like PAINFUL do not address things like USING THE PROPER CRIMPERS and TERMINALS. HMM Problem: I don't have the correct sized terminal SOLUTION: Strip extra insulation and fold wire multiple times as needed OR, Wire(s) are to big for terminal SOLUTION: Cut as many strands as needed until it fits. THE PRO's know to cut the same number of strands off each wire when shoving multiple wires in to a TOO small terminal LMAO
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