Who make repop vin tag for 1970’s model? UPDATE.
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Before all the people come on here saying ‘ Reeeeee, that’s illegal!’, no it is not. I have talk to several state and federal agencies and pre-1981 vehicles have a much more lax laws than what people are led to believe. Now that I got that out of the way, just looking for a service that makes a legitimate replacement vin tag for a 1970 model car. There was one I knew of, but the guy I believe passed away and business closed down. Now I’m currently in the process of having the car verified by a state agency and getting ‘blue tagged’ but would like to also have the stock appearing dash when people looking the race car to see the vin tag as a real performance car. So if someone has a good recommendation for a company that makes them, please post It or pm me. Thanks everyone.
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Before all the people come on here saying ‘ Reeeeee, that’s illegal!’, no it is not. I have talk to several state and federal agencies and pre-1981 vehicles have a much more lax laws than what people are led to believe. Now that I got that out of the way, just looking for a service that makes a legitimate replacement vin tag for a 1970 model car. There was one I knew of, but the guy I believe passed away and business closed down. Now I’m currently in the process of having the car verified by a state agency and getting ‘blue tagged’ but would like to also have the stock appearing dash when people looking the race car to see the vin tag as a real performance car. So if someone has a good recommendation for a company that makes them, please post It or pm me. Thanks everyone. State laws vary. Federal laws do not. Counterfeit VIN tags include a felony. Stick with a state issued VIN - they are legal.
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Does it look authentic? I appreciate you posting the info. I want it to look real nice when the ‘angry’ people start looking through the windshield. Update: MMC does not have reproduction vin service on their site.
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DODGE EMBOSSED STAMPED GM PLATE CAR TRUCK TAG FRAME CHASSIS BODY
Counterfeit definition:
made in exact imitation of something valuable or important with the "intention" to deceive or defraud.
Key word there is "intention" No key words are intention, deceive, defraud. You know how when someone comes on here asking something like "what color should I paint MY car?" and after the "anything but GREEN" comments and then finally someone or ten people respond "IT'S YOUR CAR DO WHAT YOU WANT", wouldn't that apply? Let's say I have a lowly 4-door, slant 6 in terrible shape and the original VIN tag was damaged and I MADE a VIN tag and hand stamped my legitimate original VIN on a plate would I be in trouble. The feds and local LEO's could run the numbers, check all of the hidden numbers, check the /6 engine and transmission numbers and EVERYTHING matches the home made VIN PLATE I made to a "T" and see that it is not a stolen vehicle, and that I have ownership documentation and again it's NOT STOLEN, and I'm NOT trying to deceive anyone or trying to defraud anyone so what would the verdict be and what would I be guilty of??? IMO it's only a crime if it is a crime to deceive or defraud or steal. MY CAR and all of this was put in place by the FMVSS including moving the hidden VIN plates from the door jams to the dash/windshield because the Feds felt they had enough data to show a STOLEN vehicle was more likely to be driven dangerously or unsafely and yes that's a fact you can check this in the VIN regulations. FMVSS: Federal motor vehicle safety standard (FMVSS) No. 115 One of the original purposes of the VIN system was to enhance public safety by deterring vehicle theft based on the assumption that drivers of stolen vehicles are more likely to operate those vehicles unsafely and thus be involved in vehicle crashes. The current 17-character VIN system embodied in Part 565 continues to serve this purpose and, as stated in Part 565, also serves “to increase the accuracy and efficiency of vehicle recall campaigns.” A. History and Overview of the VIN System Since 1954, American automobile manufacturers have used a vehicle identification number (VIN) to describe and identify each of the motor vehicles they manufacture. The early VINs came in a wide array of configurations and variations, depending on the individual manufacturer. A move to create a more systematic VIN scheme was made in 1968, with the enactment of Federal motor vehicle safety standard (FMVSS) No. 115, which took effect January 1, 1969. That standard required each passenger car to have a VIN that is permanently “sunk or embossed” on a part of the vehicle visible through the glazing by a person standing at the left windshield pillar. Manufacturers were required to avoid having a VIN be repeated within a 10-year period. How many people advertise when they do such? That’s right, none. Because it alters value and not in a good way. That’s the intention of putting repop/fake fender tags, swapped vins, and restamped blocks on or in cars. It is to increase value to what an original car would bring. A factory installed everything car goes for more than the equivalent restored one, same is true when comparing two otherwise identical option and condition cars. The one with the factory tags will sell for more than the one with repop/fake/homemade tags, that car will go for less- this we know is a fact. Just the way it is. The world where you go to the effort of what you are saying and then declare it doesn’t exist. Otherwise these things wouldn’t be done.
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the "LAW" is about the written word and it's definition, that is a fact. now everybody has an opinion of what is Legal and what is not Legal , an Attorney explained to me to read what the Law actually says not what you want it to say. Laws are written to be arguementive not to be deceiving , but rather to cover or give way to special circumstances that may occur . The intension of the Motor Vehicle Safety Standards Act was too , as it;s title says is Motor Vehicle Safety Standards since every manufacture had its own identification process. Which was for the protection od of the traveling public assuring that all parts used to produce the said vehicle met prescribed Safety Standards. Which it would also cover "FRAUD" ( misrepresentation ) . It's fairly simple to understand , it's about identification and safety . now here comes the "OPINION" part. In my Opinion (and any Competent Attorney) to reproduce or have a reproduction or replacement "Vin tag" made is not fraudulent if the Repro VIN Tag is to same standards as the "original" vin tag which this particular car came with , as the reproduction tag is merely an identification that represents that all the parts used to produce the vehicle meet the MOTOR VECHILE SAFTEY STANARDS OF THE DATE BELOW, (the "Mylar Decal") . therefore there is no Fraud or misrepresentation for the purpose of illicit gain or profit . This can be verified by other permanent markings or stamping thru out the Vehicle . So IMO its not as Black AND White as one might think , but i can tell you this , it all will be based on" intension" of whether it;s fraud or not..
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Re: Who makes a repop vin tag for 1970’s model?
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Where is the original vin tag? Are you wanting the same exact info on a new one? Dash went missing over 20 years ago and the frame it was on to. Car has a replacement frame, but the vin tag of course is not correct. Body numbers and door tag match. Fender tag is missing and broadcast sheet is nowhere. He don’t care about fender tags, just a vin. Not wanting to change anything, just have the correct info that is on the car. No altered numbers or letters.
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Try this one. Appears to be based in Europe. VIN tag thank you for posting that. Though it does not look like a factory appearing original, it would be something suitable for a hotrod/stock-ish replacement.
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Before all the people come on here saying ‘ Reeeeee, that’s illegal!’, no it is not. I have talk to several state and federal agencies and pre-1981 vehicles have a much more lax laws than what people are led to believe. Now that I got that out of the way, just looking for a service that makes a legitimate replacement vin tag for a 1970 model car. There was one I knew of, but the guy I believe passed away and business closed down. Now I’m currently in the process of having the car verified by a state agency and getting ‘blue tagged’ but would like to also have the stock appearing dash when people looking the race car to see the vin tag as a real performance car. So if someone has a good recommendation for a company that makes them, please post It or pm me. Thanks everyone. Too many 'conflicting' notations here. Race Only or Race/Street?
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Try this one. Appears to be based in Europe. VIN tag thank you for posting that. Though it does not look like a factory appearing original, it would be something suitable for a hotrod/stock-ish replacement. They offer different versions i.e. with and without the asterisk etc. If the images are from real tags there are noticeable problems with the letters not being properly shaped. I would bet they stamp on aluminum too. I was under the impression the factory ones were stainless. Correct me if I am wrong.
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I just got an email from ESC stating they now offer licensed FCA dash vins. I think that vin tag they offer may be a sticker? Will have to give them a buzz and see what is the dillio on that.
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so I understand this right. You have a body, no vin, no data tag, no broadcast sheet to prove the number / vin you make is correct other than the last 8 stamped in the core support
IMO< have a state assigned vin put on it and call it a day To be honest, he wants both on the car. He want a blue tag is the a-pillar drip raid and the correct looking tag on the dash.
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While your post shows VIN tag, the website does not. It shows Labels only.
Where did you find that screen shot - I use the same address and get something else. Yeah, like yourself I only found labels and couldn't find VIN tags on their website either, maybe it's too new. That screenshot is from the email ECS sent to me on Nov. 01, 2022, I just edited out some personal information. If you're interested call them. I've phoned them in the past and they were more than helpful and pleasant
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Dave has told me that the two companies that used to do it are no longer doing so because too man people did illegal stuff with the vins they provided and have shut down to limit their legal liabilities. I am considering approaching state and federal offices about reproducing them legally with a proper documentation trail.
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There is a company out there that remakes Vin tags. I used to have all the information stored in my hard drive that i cannot get it working. Barry Washington As much I love his hard work on keeping everything legit but on this there is alternatives to get one made. The company is licensed through federal law. I remember talking to them and I believe there is another one other place out there. If I come across it I will reach out. There is a process that you have to go through to get it done.
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Going to order a set from a source and see how they compare to original. Also looking to get the correct vin tag rivers if anybody has some info. i have a LOT of sets of the correct brown rivets. how many do you need?
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Going to order a set from a source and see how they compare to original. Also looking to get the correct vin tag rivers if anybody has some info. i have a LOT of sets of the correct brown rivets. how many do you need? now familiar with the 'brown' rivets. What is the difference from other vin rivets?
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I believe ECS Automotive concepts sells the rivets. Thanks for the info.
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Going to order a set from a source and see how they compare to original. Also looking to get the correct vin tag rivers if anybody has some info. i have a LOT of sets of the correct brown rivets. how many do you need? now familiar with the 'brown' rivets. What is the difference from other vin rivets? they used to sell cheap rosette rivets from Russia on Ebay for something like $25a PAIR shipped. these rivets are bare non plated. a LOT of sellers bought them, paint them black and sold for profit. the correct river is dark brown almost black. these rivets are anodized. look closely at original and top of line resto cars vin tags. the rivets are a slightly different color than the black tag. the rivets pictured came from the AMC / Chrysler assembly plant in Kenosha before the closed it down. i think i have had these rivets for over 30 years. got them from a friend whos dad worked at the plant.
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Good news (at least for me) just out that the askis star on vin tags was not on all models automatically in 1971. As late as possible febuary, the ‘*’ could not be on the vin tag. Mine will not come with it for being an early year. I am still looking to have to tool made in case of fiture use though. From what I was told the "*" was put there to indicate the beginning and end of the VIN so no one could easily put numbers there to alter it (i.e., change for theft reasons, etc.,) . The current 17 digit VIN format uses the 9th position as a "check" digit created from the other 16 characters via a special formula.
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UPDATE: I am in contact with a company that is looking to reproduce the mopar vin tags from 1968 to 1980's models and doing it legally. need to get a bunch of vin tag samples sent to them so they can refine the tooling. Cost should be affordable to the buyer as well. Will keep you all in the loop as I get more info over the next few weeks/months. Questions; Name of the company? Name of the Federal agency they are dealing with? Does Chrysler know some outfit is planning to do this? Is Chrysler Corporation granting this outfit a license? If so, who is the contact person at Chrysler Corporation?
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UPDATE: I am in contact with a company that is looking to reproduce the mopar vin tags from 1968 to 1980's models and doing it legally. need to get a bunch of vin tag samples sent to them so they can refine the tooling. Cost should be affordable to the buyer as well. Will keep you all in the loop as I get more info over the next few weeks/months. Questions; Name of the company? Good question.Name of the Federal agency they are dealing with? Another good question.Does Chrysler know some outfit is planning to do this? This should not concern Chrysler.Is Chrysler Corporation granting this outfit a license? For what? A license to stamp numbers in a piece of metal?If so, who is the contact person at Chrysler Corporation? Not relevant IMHO.
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UPDATE: I am in contact with a company that is looking to reproduce the mopar vin tags from 1968 to 1980's models and doing it legally. need to get a bunch of vin tag samples sent to them so they can refine the tooling. Cost should be affordable to the buyer as well. Will keep you all in the loop as I get more info over the next few weeks/months. Questions; Name of the company? Good question.Name of the Federal agency they are dealing with? Another good question.Does Chrysler know some outfit is planning to do this? This should not concern Chrysler.Is Chrysler Corporation granting this outfit a license? For what? A license to stamp numbers in a piece of metal?If so, who is the contact person at Chrysler Corporation? Not relevant IMHO. Agreed,....and if its the Canadian individual that I think it is......not a thing anyone can do about it, basically boils down to a MYOB for those that get their panties in a bunch over a piece of stamped tin....
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UPDATE: I am in contact with a company that is looking to reproduce the mopar vin tags from 1968 to 1980's models and doing it legally. need to get a bunch of vin tag samples sent to them so they can refine the tooling. Cost should be affordable to the buyer as well. Will keep you all in the loop as I get more info over the next few weeks/months. Questions; Name of the company? It is a US based company and has been doing data tags for awhile. When they have a finished product I will post their info here. Name of the Federal agency they are dealing with? Not my company, so I don't know. Does Chrysler know some outfit is planning to do this? Chrysler has no representation on this. Is Chrysler Corporation granting this outfit a license? Chrysler has no legal jurisdiction on this product. If so, who is the contact person at Chrysler Corporation?
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Can you get a reproduction dash VIN tag made LEGALLY for any other manufacture ??? If not then one would have to question this? Another question Why if this is a potential legal business venture does this person need you to send them samples of VIN tags to "refine" the tooling?? And as noted Where is this legal? I'm sure it's legal in some Pacific Rim countries and other places NOT IN THE USA. Hey can you have them make up some counterfeit US money plates while they're at it for me I'm sure that's legal wherever that is too. Not sure what the legal aspect of it is as it's NOT my company. I am addressing the originality in appearance of the stamping to meet with restoration needs, that is all. I will probably offer them advice on certain things as in making the tags out of aluminum instead of stainless steel, not applying any corporation identification to the tags and suggest they may not even paint them. This way they are not liable for licensing fees with Chrysler. All this is for is an original looking tag. Anything else is of no concern to me as it is not my product, not my company and I am not being compensated for anything. Just my thoughts here and no comments other wise but if it’s made out of aluminum with no paint, it would be easy to spot. If it’s easy to spot by any law offecer as a manipulated vin tag, the entire car could be confiscated. Just saying.
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Can you get a reproduction dash VIN tag made LEGALLY for any other manufacture ??? If not then one would have to question this? Another question Why if this is a potential legal business venture does this person need you to send them samples of VIN tags to "refine" the tooling?? And as noted Where is this legal? I'm sure it's legal in some Pacific Rim countries and other places NOT IN THE USA. Hey can you have them make up some counterfeit US money plates while they're at it for me I'm sure that's legal wherever that is too. Not sure what the legal aspect of it is as it's NOT my company. I am addressing the originality in appearance of the stamping to meet with restoration needs, that is all. I will probably offer them advice on certain things as in making the tags out of aluminum instead of stainless steel, not applying any corporation identification to the tags and suggest they may not even paint them. This way they are not liable for licensing fees with Chrysler. All this is for is an original looking tag. Anything else is of no concern to me as it is not my product, not my company and I am not being compensated for anything. Just my thoughts here and no comments other wise but if it’s made out of aluminum with no paint, it would be easy to spot. If it’s easy to spot by any law offecer as a manipulated vin tag, the entire car could be confiscated. Just saying. Wouldn't a transfer like this fix that visual concern? ECS TRANSFER
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Just my thoughts here and no comments other wise but if it’s made out of aluminum with no paint, it would be easy to spot. If it’s easy to spot by any law officer as a manipulated vin tag, the entire car could be confiscated. Just saying. [/quote] Wouldn't a transfer like this fix that visual concern? ECS TRANSFER [/quote] That is an option someone can take to make it more original. To be honest I don't think there is going to be much fuss over these tags. After my initial investigation into reproduction tags, I found out something very interesting. You literately can get the tooling to make tags that is cheaper than buying two sets of tags! No joke, I found no less than six in the united states and fourteen internationally that could make the tooling for the lettering for just a few hundred dollars that could be done in a home press. From the stainless tags to the paint stamp, a person could make sets if they wanted to do it. The two main reasons people didn't do this was lack of knowledge and laziness. Hopefully we can get out of this stigma of reproduction tags and go back to being a fun hobby again.
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Re: Need a repop vin tag.
[Re: DAYCLONA]
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02/23/23 09:25 PM
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UPDATE: I am in contact with a company that is looking to reproduce the mopar vin tags from 1968 to 1980's models and doing it legally. need to get a bunch of vin tag samples sent to them so they can refine the tooling. Cost should be affordable to the buyer as well. Will keep you all in the loop as I get more info over the next few weeks/months. Questions; Name of the company? Good question.Name of the Federal agency they are dealing with? Another good question.Does Chrysler know some outfit is planning to do this? This should not concern Chrysler.Is Chrysler Corporation granting this outfit a license? For what? A license to stamp numbers in a piece of metal?If so, who is the contact person at Chrysler Corporation? Not relevant IMHO. Agreed,....and if its the Canadian individual that I think it is......not a thing anyone can do about it, basically boils down to a MYOB for those that get their panties in a bunch over a piece of stamped tin.... The Feds can have a say. Canadian source for the counterfeit? That brings customs on both sides of the border into play. This could lead to a HUGE sting.
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Re: Need a repop vin tag.
[Re: migsBIG]
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02/23/23 09:32 PM
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Still waiting on some doner vin tags to send in for comparison for tooling. The guy doing it wants to make them correct and I don't believe you need paperwork or broadcast sheet copy to make a vin tag, so it would be an easy restoration process for those without anything. Win/Win for everyone. Donor VIN tags? Mere possession of a loose VIN tag is a Felony inside the USA. California (that is where you are?) also has state laws against it. If you send 'donor' VIN tags across state lines & across a border into another country, the felonies just add up to help prosecute you. You want to 'help' a counterfeiter? At that point you become an accomplice to his crimes. I do not know you personally, so I'll ask - are you so ignorant of the VIN laws that apply in this scenario that you are actually stupid? You seem to be trying very hard to establish a criminal record, so I had to ask.
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Re: Need a repop vin tag.
[Re: Alaskan_TA]
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02/23/23 11:26 PM
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Donor VIN tags? Mere possession of a loose VIN tag is a Felony inside the USA.California (that is where you are?) also has state laws against it. If you send 'donor' VIN tags across state lines & across a border into another country, the felonies just add up to help prosecute you.You want to 'help' a counterfeiter? At that point you become an accomplice to his crimes. I do not know you personally, so I'll ask - are you so ignorant of the VIN laws that apply in this scenario that you are actually stupid? You seem to be trying very hard to establish a criminal record, so I had to ask. Please cite the legal references for those statements as I can find no backup for them other than you stating them on other forums. I sold an E-body dash pad. Removed the VIN prior to the sale. Am I going to be led away in handcuffs?
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Re: Need a repop vin tag.
[Re: Alaskan_TA]
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02/25/23 10:27 PM
02/25/23 10:27 PM
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Still waiting on some doner vin tags to send in for comparison for tooling. The guy doing it wants to make them correct and I don't believe you need paperwork or broadcast sheet copy to make a vin tag, so it would be an easy restoration process for those without anything. Win/Win for everyone. Donor VIN tags? Mere possession of a loose VIN tag is a Felony inside the USA. California (that is where you are?) also has state laws against it. If you send 'donor' VIN tags across state lines & across a border into another country, the felonies just add up to help prosecute you. You want to 'help' a counterfeiter? At that point you become an accomplice to his crimes. I do not know you personally, so I'll ask - are you so ignorant of the VIN laws that apply in this scenario that you are actually stupid? You seem to be trying very hard to establish a criminal record, so I had to ask. You must get your info from MSNBC for all your fake news. Selling vin tags in not illegal as everybody in every state sells new and used tags on eBay and other sites. If buying tags was illegal win vin numbers on then, why did you buy 40+ fender tags off my eBay page a few years ago? Wouldn’t that be just as illegal? Dude, I know you mean well and good, but it jump to conclusions was an Olympic even, you would get gold, silver and bronze. I have talked to California DMV, State Highway Patrol, County sheriff department and local law enforcement over the years and they all said that you can affix a replacment/restored tag as long as you do not alter the tag and numbers on said vehicle. If your going to question the laws in California, then look up vehicle code 10750 VC vehicle code “it doesn't prohibit the restoration by an owner of the original vehicle identification number when authorized or prevent the manufacturer from placing business numbers on new motor vehicles or parts”.
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Re: Need a repop vin tag.
[Re: migsBIG]
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02/27/23 04:39 PM
02/27/23 04:39 PM
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Fender tag isn’t a vin tag, not even same discussion.
You’ll need a license from Chrysler to repop their trademark on a part. Good luck with that on this.
Here’s what is the deal. Guy A will make them without a trademark. Guy B will add the logo and both will claim they didn’t know this was wrong or what the other guy was intending to do with it when the vin is illegally swapped onto a donor chassis. Guy B will say it was sold to me, so it must’ve been legal, don’t look at me.
That violates federal law that has been posted on this forum before, to which said counterfeiters didn’t like so they continue to bend this around to make themselves feel better about contributing to more faked cars. Just like cheating on your taxes, it’s not illegal until you get caught. Any sort of authority figure can be snowed by saying something along the lines of “I’m just restoring my car,” when that’s not really the game here. Leaving out the part about “restoring by changing the car that is under the vin tag” doesn’t mean you just got told what you wanted to hear.
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Re: Need a repop vin tag.
[Re: SomeCarGuy]
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02/27/23 05:09 PM
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Fender tag isn’t a vin tag, not even same discussion.
You’ll need a license from Chrysler to repop their trademark on a part. Good luck with that on this.
Here’s what is the deal. Guy A will make them without a trademark. Guy B will add the logo and both will claim they didn’t know this was wrong or what the other guy was intending to do with it when the vin is illegally swapped onto a donor chassis. Guy B will say it was sold to me, so it must’ve been legal, don’t look at me.
That violates federal law that has been posted on this forum before, to which said counterfeiters didn’t like so they continue to bend this around to make themselves feel better about contributing to more faked cars. Just like cheating on your taxes, it’s not illegal until you get caught. Any sort of authority figure can be snowed by saying something along the lines of “I’m just restoring my car,” when that’s not really the game here. Leaving out the part about “restoring by changing the car that is under the vin tag” doesn’t mean you just got told what you wanted to hear. Sooner or later these kinds of posts always degenerate to this. That OBVIOUSLY everyone, and I mean EVERYONE, who ever wanted a replacement VIN tag is doing it for some nefarious reason. This discussion will never be resolved. Everyone reads the actual law to suit their motives and that's where it usually ends.
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Re: Need a repop vin tag.
[Re: migsBIG]
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02/27/23 10:28 PM
02/27/23 10:28 PM
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I find it weird that everybody that says it was illegal have never posted a source or link to why said tags are illegal. On the other hand, I have talked with multiple law enforcement members, lawyer and a government representative and all have said the opposite. So who am I to believe, the people that make and enforce the laws or the people just randomly posting on a forum? All I’m trying to do is find a proper restoration part for a project. People thinking everything illegal because they heard a store about someone who bought a car at one point is going on absurd. Fine, you guys win. I give up. I’m telling (redacted) they can’t get a proper restoration replacement tag made. I can’t find vin tag samples to use anyway and I just don’t want to be involved in this any longer as I’m not getting payed for my work. I just wanted to contribute something to the hobby for people who wanted a nice touch to their cars. I’m out. F all this noise. Sorry for those that wanted something nice, but these guys say you can’t have it. Remember who ruined it for you. Interesting. So if only <1% of repro tags are ever used illegally, the ONLY solution would be to make it illegal to make them. So the <1% hurts the 99%. Likewise: if only 1 of the many firearms one makes (legally), gets used illegally, then make it illegal to make firearms. There are too many laws being used, or generated, that are being used this way in society. Punish the innocent masses because of a few miscretes.
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Re: Need a repop vin tag.
[Re: migsBIG]
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03/03/23 08:59 PM
03/03/23 08:59 PM
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UPDATE: I am in contact with a company that is looking to reproduce the mopar vin tags from 1968 to 1980's models and doing it legally. need to get a bunch of vin tag samples sent to them so they can refine the tooling. Cost should be affordable to the buyer as well. Will keep you all in the loop as I get more info over the next few weeks/months. Questions; Name of the company? It is a US based company and has been doing data tags for awhile. When they have a finished product I will post their info here. Name of the Federal agency they are dealing with? Not my company, so I don't know. Does Chrysler know some outfit is planning to do this? Chrysler has no representation on this. Is Chrysler Corporation granting this outfit a license? Chrysler has no legal jurisdiction on this product. If so, who is the contact person at Chrysler Corporation? I think the point that person was trying to make is that unless it's a blank plate with the number stamped on in someone is selling a product with Chrysler//Stellantis's trademark logos on it so they would have some legal jurisdiction over it. The whole vin tag thing is a grey area. The law talks about being illegal to remove it but what about cases like this when it's attached to a dash that's being restored or replaced, or the vehicles where it's attached to the drivers door and the door needs to be replaced. Doing a quick search online it seems like for newer cars car manufacturers provide a service that you can get a replacement vin tag from them, some of the forms to request it are even on the nhtsa website. One thing that comes to play is with a replacement there's always going to be people out there to criticize it and rightly so. If you're looking at buying a car and one has a vin that's never been touched and another one has been replaced or looks questionable you know what car has a higher chance of getting picked. I also ran across this website which has vin tags and the various other labels. Which might be a handy source for restoration purposes. https://www.alumaphoto-plateco.com/products/vin-tag-replacement/vin-tags.html
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Re: Need a repop vin tag.
[Re: 5thAve]
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03/07/23 08:59 AM
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The whole vin tag thing is a grey area. The law talks about being illegal to remove it but what about cases like this when it's attached to a dash that's being restored or replaced, or the vehicles where it's attached to the drivers door and the door needs to be replaced. Doing a quick search online it seems like for newer cars car manufacturers provide a service that you can get a replacement vin tag from them, some of the forms to request it are even on the nhtsa website. One thing that comes to play is with a replacement there's always going to be people out there to criticize it and rightly so. If you're looking at buying a car and one has a vin that's never been touched and another one has been replaced or looks questionable you know what car has a higher chance of getting picked. I also ran across this website which has vin tags and the various other labels. Which might be a handy source for restoration purposes. https://www.alumaphoto-plateco.com/products/vin-tag-replacement/vin-tags.html [/quote] They only do sticker version. Posted on their site main page: "NOTE: WE WILL NOT REPLICATE ANY ID TAGS OR PLATES FOR LATE MODEL VEHICLES AS ALL THE INFORMATION WILL BE SENT TO LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES. NOTE: WE DO NOT DO ANY "STAMPING" OR "EMBOSSING", ONLY PERMANENTLY PRINTED COPY".
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Re: Need a repop vin tag.
[Re: migsBIG]
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03/07/23 02:24 PM
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5thAve
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The whole vin tag thing is a grey area. The law talks about being illegal to remove it but what about cases like this when it's attached to a dash that's being restored or replaced, or the vehicles where it's attached to the drivers door and the door needs to be replaced. Doing a quick search online it seems like for newer cars car manufacturers provide a service that you can get a replacement vin tag from them, some of the forms to request it are even on the nhtsa website. One thing that comes to play is with a replacement there's always going to be people out there to criticize it and rightly so. If you're looking at buying a car and one has a vin that's never been touched and another one has been replaced or looks questionable you know what car has a higher chance of getting picked. I also ran across this website which has vin tags and the various other labels. Which might be a handy source for restoration purposes. https://www.alumaphoto-plateco.com/products/vin-tag-replacement/vin-tags.html They only do sticker version. Posted on their site main page: "NOTE: WE WILL NOT REPLICATE ANY ID TAGS OR PLATES FOR LATE MODEL VEHICLES AS ALL THE INFORMATION WILL BE SENT TO LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES. NOTE: WE DO NOT DO ANY "STAMPING" OR "EMBOSSING", ONLY PERMANENTLY PRINTED COPY". [/quote] It says they don't do LATE MODEL vehicles. There's pics and info all over their site for muscle car era and earlier metal tags
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Re: Need a repop vin tag.
[Re: migsBIG]
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03/07/23 10:14 PM
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The whole vin tag thing is a grey area. The law talks about being illegal to remove it but what about cases like this when it's attached to a dash that's being restored or replaced, or the vehicles where it's attached to the drivers door and the door needs to be replaced Then according to some folks here: all those folks who've replaced a door or dash pads are GUILTY of breaking the law. It's really just a matter of "The INTENT of the law, rather then the WORDING of the law. To many focus entirely on the WORDS alone.
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