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Who make repop vin tag for 1970’s model? Discussion #3089733
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Before all the people come on here saying ‘ Reeeeee, that’s illegal!’, no it is not. I have talk to several state and federal agencies and pre-1981 vehicles have a much more lax laws than what people are led to believe.

Now that I got that out of the way, just looking for a service that makes a legitimate replacement vin tag for a 1970 model car. There was one I knew of, but the guy I believe passed away and business closed down. Now I’m currently in the process of having the car verified by a state agency and getting ‘blue tagged’ but would like to also have the stock appearing dash when people looking the race car to see the vin tag as a real performance car. So if someone has a good recommendation for a company that makes them, please post
It or pm me.

Thanks everyone. up

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Re: Need a repop vin tag. [Re: migsBIG] #3089752
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Originally Posted by migsBIG
Before all the people come on here saying ‘ Reeeeee, that’s illegal!’, no it is not. I have talk to several state and federal agencies and pre-1981 vehicles have a much more lax laws than what people are led to believe.

Now that I got that out of the way, just looking for a service that makes a legitimate replacement vin tag for a 1970 model car. There was one I knew of, but the guy I believe passed away and business closed down. Now I’m currently in the process of having the car verified by a state agency and getting ‘blue tagged’ but would like to also have the stock appearing dash when people looking the race car to see the vin tag as a real performance car. So if someone has a good recommendation for a company that makes them, please post
It or pm me.

Thanks everyone. up


State laws vary.

Federal laws do not.

Counterfeit VIN tags include a felony.

Stick with a state issued VIN - they are legal.

Re: Need a repop vin tag. [Re: 70gtx440dana] #3089756
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Originally Posted by 70gtx440dana
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Does it look authentic? I appreciate you posting the info. I want it to look real nice when the ‘angry’ people start looking through the windshield.

Update: MMC does not have reproduction vin service on their site.

Re: Need a repop vin tag. [Re: migsBIG] #3089801
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DODGE EMBOSSED STAMPED GM PLATE CAR TRUCK TAG FRAME CHASSIS BODY

Counterfeit definition:

made in exact imitation of something valuable or important with the "intention" to deceive or defraud.

Key word there is "intention"

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Then replica would be fine. Appreciate everyone that is reaching out to me on this. 🙂

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DODGE EMBOSSED STAMPED GM PLATE CAR TRUCK TAG FRAME CHASSIS BODY

Counterfeit definition:

made in exact imitation of something valuable or important with the "intention" to deceive or defraud.

Key word there is "intention"


No key words are intention, deceive, defraud. You know how when someone comes on here asking something like "what color should I paint MY car?" and after the "anything but GREEN" comments and then finally someone or ten people respond "IT'S YOUR CAR DO WHAT YOU WANT", wouldn't that apply? Let's say I have a lowly 4-door, slant 6 in terrible shape and the original VIN tag was damaged and I MADE a VIN tag and hand stamped my legitimate original VIN on a plate would I be in trouble. The feds and local LEO's could run the numbers, check all of the hidden numbers, check the /6 engine and transmission numbers and EVERYTHING matches the home made VIN PLATE I made to a "T" and see that it is not a stolen vehicle, and that I have ownership documentation and again it's NOT STOLEN, and I'm NOT trying to deceive anyone or trying to defraud anyone so what would the verdict be and what would I be guilty of??? IMO it's only a crime if it is a crime to deceive or defraud or steal. MY CAR and all of this was put in place by the FMVSS including moving the hidden VIN plates from the door jams to the dash/windshield because the Feds felt they had enough data to show a STOLEN vehicle was more likely to be driven dangerously or unsafely and yes that's a fact you can check this in the VIN regulations.


FMVSS: Federal motor vehicle safety standard (FMVSS) No. 115

One of the original purposes of the VIN system was to enhance public safety by deterring
vehicle theft based on the assumption that drivers of stolen vehicles are more likely to operate
those vehicles unsafely and thus be involved in vehicle crashes.
The current 17-character VIN
system embodied in Part 565 continues to serve this purpose and, as stated in Part 565, also
serves “to increase the accuracy and efficiency of vehicle recall campaigns.”

A. History and Overview of the VIN System
Since 1954, American automobile manufacturers have used a vehicle identification
number (VIN) to describe and identify each of the motor vehicles they manufacture. The early
VINs came in a wide array of configurations and variations, depending on the individual
manufacturer. A move to create a more systematic VIN scheme was made in 1968, with the
enactment of Federal motor vehicle safety standard (FMVSS) No. 115, which took effect
January 1, 1969. That standard required each passenger car to have a VIN that is permanently
“sunk or embossed” on a part of the vehicle visible through the glazing by a person standing at
the left windshield pillar. Manufacturers were required to avoid having a VIN be repeated within
a 10-year period.


How many people advertise when they do such? That’s right, none. Because it alters value and not in a good way. That’s the intention of putting repop/fake fender tags, swapped vins, and restamped blocks on or in cars. It is to increase value to what an original car would bring. A factory installed everything car goes for more than the equivalent restored one, same is true when comparing two otherwise identical option and condition cars. The one with the factory tags will sell for more than the one with repop/fake/homemade tags, that car will go for less- this we know is a fact. Just the way it is. The world where you go to the effort of what you are saying and then declare it doesn’t exist. Otherwise these things wouldn’t be done.


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Re: Need a repop vin tag. [Re: SomeCarGuy] #3090125
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the "LAW" is about the written word and it's definition, that is a fact. now everybody has an opinion of what is Legal and what is not Legal , an Attorney explained to me to read what the Law actually says not what you want it to say. Laws are written to be arguementive not to be deceiving , but rather to cover or give way to special circumstances that may occur . The intension of the Motor Vehicle Safety Standards Act was too , as it;s title says is Motor Vehicle Safety Standards since every manufacture had its own identification process. Which was for the protection od of the traveling public assuring that all parts used to produce the said vehicle met prescribed Safety Standards. Which it would also cover "FRAUD" ( misrepresentation ) . It's fairly simple to understand , it's about identification and safety . now here comes the "OPINION" part.
In my Opinion (and any Competent Attorney) to reproduce or have a reproduction or replacement "Vin tag" made is not fraudulent if the Repro VIN Tag is to same standards as the "original" vin tag which this particular car came with , as the reproduction tag is merely an identification that represents that all the parts used to produce the vehicle meet the MOTOR VECHILE SAFTEY STANARDS OF THE DATE BELOW, (the "Mylar Decal") . therefore there is no Fraud or misrepresentation for the purpose of illicit gain or profit . This can be verified by other permanent markings or stamping thru out the Vehicle .
So IMO its not as Black AND White as one might think , but i can tell you this , it all will be based on" intension" of whether it;s fraud or not..

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Re: Who makes a repop vin tag for 1970’s model? [Re: migsBIG] #3090130
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Where is the original vin tag? Are you wanting the same exact info on a new one?

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Originally Posted by 71birdJ68
Where is the original vin tag? Are you wanting the same exact info on a new one?


Dash went missing over 20 years ago and the frame it was on to. Have a replacement frame, but the vin tag of course is not correct. Body numbers and door tag match. Fender tag is missing and broadcast sheet is nowhere. I don’t care about fender tags, just a vin. Not wanting to change anything, just have the correct info that is on the car. No altered numbers or letters.

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Try this one. Appears to be based in Europe.

VIN tag

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Originally Posted by RT03

Try this one. Appears to be based in Europe.

VIN tag





thank you for posting that. Though it does not look like a factory appearing original, it would be something suitable for a hotrod/stock-ish replacement.

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so I understand this right.
You have a body, no vin, no data tag, no broadcast sheet to prove the number / vin you make is correct other than the last 8 stamped in the core support

IMO< have a state assigned vin put on it and call it a day

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Originally Posted by migsBIG
Before all the people come on here saying ‘ Reeeeee, that’s illegal!’, no it is not. I have talk to several state and federal agencies and pre-1981 vehicles have a much more lax laws than what people are led to believe.

Now that I got that out of the way, just looking for a service that makes a legitimate replacement vin tag for a 1970 model car. There was one I knew of, but the guy I believe passed away and business closed down. Now I’m currently in the process of having the car verified by a state agency and getting ‘blue tagged’ but would like to also have the stock appearing dash when people looking the race car to see the vin tag as a real performance car. So if someone has a good recommendation for a company that makes them, please post
It or pm me.
Thanks everyone. up


Too many 'conflicting' notations here.
Race Only or Race/Street?

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Originally Posted by migsBIG
Originally Posted by RT03

Try this one. Appears to be based in Europe.

VIN tag





thank you for posting that. Though it does not look like a factory appearing original, it would be something suitable for a hotrod/stock-ish replacement.


They offer different versions i.e. with and without the asterisk etc.


If the images are from real tags there are noticeable problems with the letters not being properly shaped.

I would bet they stamp on aluminum too.

I was under the impression the factory ones were stainless. Correct me if I am wrong.

Re: Who makes a repop vin tag for 1970’s model? [Re: gtx6970] #3090784
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Originally Posted by gtx6970
so I understand this right.
You have a body, no vin, no data tag, no broadcast sheet to prove the number / vin you make is correct other than the last 8 stamped in the core support

IMO< have a state assigned vin put on it and call it a day



up up up As more of the details came forth that's what should be done. Who knows if the original VIN tag is on a rebodied something or not??? Thought it was an original VIN tag that was damaged and he knew where it was, without it or knowing where and what happened to it it will be fraud.

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I just got an email from ESC stating they now offer licensed FCA dash vins.

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While your post shows VIN tag, the website does not. It shows Labels only.

Where did you find that screen shot - I use the same address and get something else.

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