Re: Has Comp fixed their cams?
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Comp Cams started in 1975, Did their people all of a sudden forget how to do it? No they were likely let go for cheaper entry level people with no long term knowledge by Industrial Opportunity Partnersif one thinks about it, a 25 year old college grad that was hired on in 1982 is now 65 and making $$ plus bennies. IOP says we can get 2 or more for what we're paying the old fart. So out the door all that experience goes. Eager beaver new hire want's to make a name for himself so they start tweaking things to save cost and make themselves look good. yeah there's some problems cropping up but the focus is on Current technology and $$$$$ so no one's really paying attention or cares. Have heard that more than once. MSD, Racepak, Edelbrock, probably some others I've forgotten...
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Re: Has Comp fixed their cams?
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09/24/22 12:03 AM
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Three words...
Industrial Opportunity Partners
Comp Cams started in 1975, Did their people all of a sudden forget how to do it? No they were likely let go for cheaper entry level people with no long term knowledge by Industrial Opportunity Partnersif one thinks about it, a 25 year old college grad that was hired on in 1982 is now 65 and making $$ plus bennies. IOP says we can get 2 or more for what we're paying the old fart. So out the door all that experience goes. Eager beaver new hire want's to make a name for himself so they start tweaking things to save cost and make themselves look good. yeah there's some problems cropping up but the focus is on Current technology and $$$$$ so no one's really paying attention or cares. Yep! My wife was in manufacturing for 35+ years at the same company. They decided she made too much $$ and "eliminated" her position. She took a few months off then landed a place where she's appreciated. Her old place reached out to her after a year saying they needed her experience back...lol....she told them to pack sand. The place won't make it another year.
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Re: Has Comp fixed their cams?
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09/24/22 11:07 AM
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Three words...
Industrial Opportunity Partners
Comp Cams started in 1975, Did their people all of a sudden forget how to do it? No they were likely let go for cheaper entry level people with no long term knowledge by Industrial Opportunity Partnersif one thinks about it, a 25 year old college grad that was hired on in 1982 is now 65 and making $$ plus bennies. IOP says we can get 2 or more for what we're paying the old fart. So out the door all that experience goes. Eager beaver new hire want's to make a name for himself so they start tweaking things to save cost and make themselves look good. yeah there's some problems cropping up but the focus is on Current technology and $$$$$ so no one's really paying attention or cares. Yep! My wife was in manufacturing for 35+ years at the same company. They decided she made too much $$ and "eliminated" her position. She took a few months off then landed a place where she's appreciated. Her old place reached out to her after a year saying they needed her experience back...lol....she told them to pack sand. The place won't make it another year. Unfortunately, I've witnessed it to many times. I think ones best bet might be to look for smaller independently owned suppliers/ manufacturers as they have to pay attention to their sourcing quality and will suffer much more if they don't. IE: Howard's cams, Isky, Hughes, etc.
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Re: Has Comp fixed their cams?
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09/24/22 01:51 PM
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Three words...
Industrial Opportunity Partners
Comp Cams started in 1975, Did their people all of a sudden forget how to do it? No they were likely let go for cheaper entry level people with no long term knowledge by Industrial Opportunity Partnersif one thinks about it, a 25 year old college grad that was hired on in 1982 is now 65 and making $$ plus bennies. IOP says we can get 2 or more for what we're paying the old fart. So out the door all that experience goes. Eager beaver new hire want's to make a name for himself so they start tweaking things to save cost and make themselves look good. yeah there's some problems cropping up but the focus is on Current technology and $$$$$ so no one's really paying attention or cares. Yep! My wife was in manufacturing for 35+ years at the same company. They decided she made too much $$ and "eliminated" her position. She took a few months off then landed a place where she's appreciated. Her old place reached out to her after a year saying they needed her experience back...lol....she told them to pack sand. The place won't make it another year. Unfortunately, I've witnessed it to many times. I think ones best bet might be to look for smaller independently owned suppliers/ manufacturers as they have to pay attention to their sourcing quality and will suffer much more if they don't. IE: Howard's cams, Isky, Hughes, etc. Every time we had a quality issue at Chrysler that I was involved in, it usually came from the manufacture not following established and agreed to quality control measures. If we were the manufacturer (internal plant) we didn’t maintain the existing quality controls and inspections. External suppliers, usually the same thing. Sometimes they would purposely “thrift” the process or materials. Sometimes someone would make a change not realizing the impact of the change. I have never seen any internal or external supplier do it knowing it would cause quality issues. As for 25% failure - 97.5% of estimates are made up. As for the earlier mentioned issue of some used parts being recycled as new - at Chrysler, General Counsel stated that was against Federal Law.
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Re: Has Comp fixed their cams?
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09/24/22 09:39 PM
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Three words...
Industrial Opportunity Partners
Comp Cams started in 1975, Did their people all of a sudden forget how to do it? No they were likely let go for cheaper entry level people with no long term knowledge by Industrial Opportunity Partnersif one thinks about it, a 25 year old college grad that was hired on in 1982 is now 65 and making $$ plus bennies. IOP says we can get 2 or more for what we're paying the old fart. So out the door all that experience goes. Eager beaver new hire want's to make a name for himself so they start tweaking things to save cost and make themselves look good. yeah there's some problems cropping up but the focus is on Current technology and $$$$$ so no one's really paying attention or cares. Yep! My wife was in manufacturing for 35+ years at the same company. They decided she made too much $$ and "eliminated" her position. She took a few months off then landed a place where she's appreciated. Her old place reached out to her after a year saying they needed her experience back...lol....she told them to pack sand. The place won't make it another year. Unfortunately, I've witnessed it to many times. I think ones best bet might be to look for smaller independently owned suppliers/ manufacturers as they have to pay attention to their sourcing quality and will suffer much more if they don't. IE: Howard's cams, Isky, Hughes, etc. Hughes does not make cams. Thet buy them and resell. When the 1st started had Engle grind them. And it was Engle profiles My last 3 cams were Engle custom grinds. Just ordered a,Custom Ground Solid Flat Tappet.
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Re: Has Comp fixed their cams?
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09/25/22 08:28 AM
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While there always will be installers who make mistakes this current rash of lifter failures is years old and not due to installer neglect. Across all makes- GM Ford Mopar the failures are high. Not just with cams and lifters but all aftermarket go fast parts. But say- a poorly made MSD box or Pertronix conversion kit wont fill your engine with metal like a wiped cam.
Keep old mopars alive.
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Re: Has Comp fixed their cams?
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09/25/22 08:51 AM
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Roller lifters have been in OEM applications since the late 80's. How much more OE life span can you get? I'm either going to put mechanical rollers in mine or figure out a way to mount the stock magnum spider and yokes in my LA block so I can use stock magnum lifters, or I may just build a stroker magnum, I haven't decided yet. I am going down that same route. I've been asked why, why don't you just use a Magnum engine and be through with it? If I can pull this off with a 360, there is no reason I can see that you couldn't do it on a 340. Stock exterior appearance with a modern, proven, streetable, valve train. That is the ultimate goal. Then I've been told I'll be giving up all that potential horsepower with this arrangement. Not everything needs 500 hp. Just my
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Re: Has Comp fixed their cams?
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09/25/22 09:08 AM
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Roller lifters have been in OEM applications since the late 80's. How much more OE life span can you get? I'm either going to put mechanical rollers in mine or figure out a way to mount the stock magnum spider and yokes in my LA block so I can use stock magnum lifters, or I may just build a stroker magnum, I haven't decided yet. I am going down that same route. I've been asked why, why don't you just use a Magnum engine and be through with it? If I can pull this off with a 360, there is no reason I can see that you couldn't do it on a 340. Stock exterior appearance with a modern, proven, streetable, valve train. That is the ultimate goal. Then I've been told I'll be giving up all that potential horsepower with this arrangement. Not everything needs 500 hp. Just my The good news is the 318/360 Magnum was made from 1993 to 2003 and currently can EASILY be found in any pick and pull yard.
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Re: Has Comp fixed their cams?
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09/25/22 01:13 PM
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Unfortunately, I've witnessed it to many times. I think ones best bet might be to look for smaller independently owned suppliers/ manufacturers as they have to pay attention to their sourcing quality and will suffer much more if they don't. IE: Howard's cams, Isky, Hughes, etc. Hughes does not make cams. Thet buy them and resell. When the 1st started had Engle grind them. And it was Engle profiles My last 3 cams were Engle custom grinds. Just ordered a,Custom Ground Solid Flat Tappet. just to clarify, I did not say Hughes made their own cams. My point was a smaller supplier like hughes is going to be real careful on choosing their supplier. I also wonder if it is the Cam or Lifter causing the issue years ago there were limited manufactureres on lifters. not sure if that's still true today
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Re: Has Comp fixed their cams?
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We always get our hyd f.t. cams ground on steel cores at an extra cost or pay for the extra nitride process on cast cams. I paid the extra money for the nitride process twice and they lasted an extra 5 minutes. So the last time I bought the steel core and the tool steel lifters.
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Re: Has Comp fixed their cams?
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My last 2 solid flat cams had EDM lifters and they both lived until I decided to change them. Maybe there is something to this little oil hole Has anyone here heard of a failure when using EDM lifters? Gus
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Re: Has Comp fixed their cams?
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We always get our hyd f.t. cams ground on steel cores at an extra cost or pay for the extra nitride process on cast cams. I paid the extra money for the nitride process twice and they lasted an extra 5 minutes. So the last time I bought the steel core and the tool steel lifters. I have a Comp XE292 hyd f.t. in my Charger. I broke it in with outer springs only. After break in I put the inner springs back in and has been fine since. I have around 55,000 miles on it so far.
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Re: Has Comp fixed their cams?
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I have a Comp XE292 hyd f.t. in my Charger. I broke it in with outer springs only. After break in I put the inner springs back in and has been fine since. I have around 55,000 miles on it so far. How long ago was the cam purchased (in years)? Just asking as they WERE a good source
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Re: Has Comp fixed their cams?
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I have a Comp XE292 hyd f.t. in my Charger. I broke it in with outer springs only. After break in I put the inner springs back in and has been fine since. I have around 55,000 miles on it so far. How long ago was the cam purchased (in years)? Just asking as they WERE a good source Wow, thinking back on it more now I guess that this engine has been back together since 2007. Man, how time flies as you get older.
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Re: Has Comp fixed their cams?
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Re: Has Comp fixed their cams?
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I have a Comp XE292 hyd f.t. in my Charger. I broke it in with outer springs only. After break in I put the inner springs back in and has been fine since. I have around 55,000 miles on it so far. How long ago was the cam purchased (in years)? Just asking as they WERE a good source Wow, thinking back on it more now I guess that this engine has been back together since 2007. Man, how time flies as you get older. In 2007 they were still a reputable company IMO. they started hitting the shi--er about 7 years back maybe a bit earlier.
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