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Dakota long tube headers #3079915 09/23/22 11:37 AM 09/23/22 11:37 AM
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69DodgeGTS OP member 6 Joined: Feb 2021 Posts: 38 Florida	Is there any long 4 into 1 headers for 97-03 Dakota 5.9 out there?

Re: Dakota long tube headers [Re: 69DodgeGTS] #3080023 09/23/22 03:48 PM 09/23/22 03:48 PM
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A990 master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,731 541 slobovia	You might give John Mercedes a try at Southeast performance a call. He had S&S manufacture a run for him. They fit really well, but are difficult to install. SE Performance

Re: Dakota long tube headers [Re: 69DodgeGTS] #3080261 09/24/22 12:29 PM 09/24/22 12:29 PM
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Golden-Arm I Live Here Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 10,570 Sunny South Florida	i ran hooker supercomp's on my shelby dakota. easy fit, just had to drop the starter to get the drivers side in. "When Tyranny Becomes Law, Rebellion Becomes Duty"

Re: Dakota long tube headers [Re: Golden-Arm] #3080306 09/24/22 04:48 PM 09/24/22 04:48 PM
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mopar65 master Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 3,837 Central Missouri Fort Leonard...	I have the hooker full length on my 91 dakota sport. I just wish hooker would make them in sizes bigger than 1-5/8 tube. I wonder how much different there is between the engine compartments from the first gen to the second gen dakota 3520 pound race ready 1973 Street/Strip Dodge Dart - Stock stroke 440/727 10.49 @ 125.0 on 93 pump gas & ET Street Radials. More to come... ( SGT Miller) Proudly served 12 years in the US ARMY RESERVES support our troops

Re: Dakota long tube headers [Re: mopar65] #3080420 09/25/22 12:50 AM 09/25/22 12:50 AM
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poorboy I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 10,563 Freeport IL USA	Originally Posted by mopar65 I have the hooker full length on my 91 dakota sport. I just wish hooker would make them in sizes bigger than 1-5/8 tube. I wonder how much different there is between the engine compartments from the first gen to the second gen dakota Technically, the 91 is the 2nd gen Dakota. The 88-90 have a straight front bumper because a V6 was the only option. 91-96 is the 2nd gen, the front bumper curves outward in the center to give more clearance for the V8 option. The 97-03 (?) is the 3rd gen. Can't tell you if there was more side space between the motor & the frame, but the wheel track is 2" wider on the 97 and newer.

Re: Dakota long tube headers [Re: poorboy] #3080743 09/26/22 08:48 AM 09/26/22 08:48 AM
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A990 master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,731 541 slobovia	The 3rd gen trucks are packaged much tighter than what few earlier ones I've seen To install the long tubes require both motor mounts to be removed so you can slightly tilt the engine. Also the steering shaft mus be unhooked from the rack. The biggest PITA is that the DS set blocks the starter and the trans band adjustment bolt. They also must be installed from underneath, so the truck must be jacked really high. Sadly I lost the install pics I took

Re: Dakota long tube headers [Re: A990] #3080786 09/26/22 11:13 AM 09/26/22 11:13 AM
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bobby66 master B Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 3,808 Arlington, Texas	MP had some for the R/T Dakota's when they were new but probably hard to find now.......

Re: Dakota long tube headers [Re: A990] #3080922 09/26/22 06:37 PM 09/26/22 06:37 PM
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69DodgeGTS OP member 6 Joined: Feb 2021 Posts: 38 Florida	THANKS A990 !! I called and they partnered with TTI to make 1 3/4 long tubes for Dakota and Durango 2-wheel drives. Says they used a 99 R/T as a platform, and these came out perfect. There is a write up at www.facebook.com/southeastrt

Re: Dakota long tube headers [Re: 69DodgeGTS] #3080940 09/26/22 07:21 PM 09/26/22 07:21 PM
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A990 master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,731 541 slobovia	Some more details: These are equal length with 4-2-1 collectors that are slip fit The PS has a slip fit tube, I have considered using a sleeve clamp here to guarantee no leaks If I were to do it again, I would buy them uncoated, work out your install method to identify ways to minimize scratching up the coating At this step you may want to heat the tubes to gain socket clearance on the header bolts Your truck will demand increased amount of blood to get this project completed. Enjoy your new found curse words. The MP R/T headers were mid-length. I think they were the Spin-Tech brand. There also were shorty headers called Stan's If you have questions, feel free to ask

Re: Dakota long tube headers [Re: A990] #3081195 09/27/22 05:12 PM 09/27/22 05:12 PM
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69DodgeGTS OP member 6 Joined: Feb 2021 Posts: 38 Florida	I asked about the past headers and their slip fits. That's history, these were an entirely new design and custom built on a 99 Dakota R/T. Nothing of the older prior headers was used to make these. The owner that loaned his R/T for the build says all is a perfect fit and no issues. I think we can forget the first S&S headers, dead and gone. Here some pics.

Re: Dakota long tube headers [Re: 69DodgeGTS] #3081213 09/27/22 06:31 PM 09/27/22 06:31 PM
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A990 master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,731 541 slobovia	Looks nice. You have a pic of the driver side set?

Re: Dakota long tube headers [Re: A990] #3081408 09/28/22 11:30 AM 09/28/22 11:30 AM
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69DodgeGTS OP member 6 Joined: Feb 2021 Posts: 38 Florida	I'm on the list for a set on my 97. You can see they made an entirely different header than the first released back at S&S you mention. They said a list of problem areas from the first headers was sent during the build and to clear those up. I.E. no slip fits. I think these are going to be a good thing, and long tube installs were never a fun deal. But It's what you get when your done that matters. More pictures are at Dakota-Durango and www.facebook.com/southeastrt

Re: Dakota long tube headers [Re: 69DodgeGTS] #3081457 09/28/22 02:46 PM 09/28/22 02:46 PM
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A990 master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,731 541 slobovia	How long is the wait? I found after pics that shows how you will need to change filters. You can't drop the filter out the bottom. Looking at your picture 3, the steering shaft boot may get melted being so close to the tube. I wish I would have put a clearance dimple there

Re: Dakota long tube headers [Re: A990] #3081480 09/28/22 04:02 PM 09/28/22 04:02 PM
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69DodgeGTS OP member 6 Joined: Feb 2021 Posts: 38 Florida	Something different on your pic. That's a solid header flange and pipes look a lot bigger. The headers being released different at flange and other. Last edited by 69DodgeGTS; 09/28/22 04:06 PM.

Re: Dakota long tube headers [Re: 69DodgeGTS] #3082091 09/30/22 09:10 PM 09/30/22 09:10 PM
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69DodgeGTS OP member 6 Joined: Feb 2021 Posts: 38 Florida	Results: https://photos.google.com/share/AF1...ZlpkeG96MF9GbjE4Y2FjRUs4cWlRcXZndTdNUGJR

Re: Dakota long tube headers [Re: 69DodgeGTS] #3085134 10/11/22 02:07 PM 10/11/22 02:07 PM
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69DodgeGTS OP member 6 Joined: Feb 2021 Posts: 38 Florida	Pic's

Re: Dakota long tube headers [Re: 69DodgeGTS] #3085504 10/12/22 03:32 PM 10/12/22 03:32 PM
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A990 master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,731 541 slobovia	Those look purdy, When are going to install them?

Re: Dakota long tube headers [Re: A990] #3085798 10/13/22 05:03 PM 10/13/22 05:03 PM
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69DodgeGTS OP member 6 Joined: Feb 2021 Posts: 38 Florida	Walking a fine line right now, will have to hold off a few weeks. Leaving town for anniversary so have to dedicate the time other places.

Re: Dakota long tube headers [Re: 69DodgeGTS] #3087093 10/18/22 09:35 AM 10/18/22 09:35 AM
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mopar65 master Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 3,837 Central Missouri Fort Leonard...	Wow those look nice. Wish they made a set of them that would fit my 91 sport 3520 pound race ready 1973 Street/Strip Dodge Dart - Stock stroke 440/727 10.49 @ 125.0 on 93 pump gas & ET Street Radials. More to come... ( SGT Miller) Proudly served 12 years in the US ARMY RESERVES support our troops

Re: Dakota long tube headers [Re: mopar65] #3087725 10/20/22 09:37 AM 10/20/22 09:37 AM
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69DodgeGTS OP member 6 Joined: Feb 2021 Posts: 38 Florida	Has anyone ever checked the differences of the 91 to a 97? Engines measure same so it's about the engine compartment, steering, frame and trans differences it would seem.

Re: Dakota long tube headers [Re: 69DodgeGTS] #3092059 11/06/22 05:48 PM 11/06/22 05:48 PM
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69DodgeGTS OP member 6 Joined: Feb 2021 Posts: 38 Florida	Pictures on 408 with installed video. https://photos.google.com/share/AF1...ZlpkeG96MF9GbjE4Y2FjRUs4cWlRcXZndTdNUGJR Last edited by 69DodgeGTS; 11/14/22 11:51 AM. Reason: additional info

Re: Dakota long tube headers [Re: 69DodgeGTS] #3119987 02/08/23 03:01 PM 02/08/23 03:01 PM
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69DodgeGTS OP member 6 Joined: Feb 2021 Posts: 38 Florida	Andrew Middleton Nice quality work here fellas and in all honesty these headers really woke my trucks engine up you can feel the difference in the torque at the stomp of the pedal, I love them 💯

Re: Dakota long tube headers [Re: 69DodgeGTS] #3120111 02/08/23 10:28 PM 02/08/23 10:28 PM
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2boltmain master 2 Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 4,769 Holland MI Ottawa	How about price? Seems to be taboo to mention. I'm guessing around $1,300? Keep old mopars alive.

Re: Dakota long tube headers [Re: 2boltmain] #3120887 02/12/23 12:25 PM 02/12/23 12:25 PM
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69DodgeGTS OP member 6 Joined: Feb 2021 Posts: 38 Florida	It might help by understanding what dealers and distributers are held to by the manufacturers setting pricing rules. MAP is the “minimum advertised price” for a product, as established by the brand. Any public posted pricing is controlled by the manufacturers. The minimum advertised price is technically not the lowest price a retailer can sell a given product for—it’s just the lowest price they can publicly display. So, it would be in your best interest to contact the people selling the headers or certain parts directly for more information.

Re: Dakota long tube headers [Re: 69DodgeGTS] #3121091 02/13/23 10:17 AM 02/13/23 10:17 AM
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2boltmain master 2 Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 4,769 Holland MI Ottawa	Originally Posted by 69DodgeGTS It might help by understanding what dealers and distributers are held to by the manufacturers setting pricing rules. MAP is the “minimum advertised price” for a product, as established by the brand. Any public posted pricing is controlled by the manufacturers. The minimum advertised price is technically not the lowest price a retailer can sell a given product for—it’s just the lowest price they can publicly display. So, it would be in your best interest to contact the people selling the headers or certain parts directly for more information. Understood. Keep old mopars alive.

Re: Dakota long tube headers [Re: 2boltmain] #3121390 02/14/23 10:39 AM 02/14/23 10:39 AM
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2boltmain master 2 Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 4,769 Holland MI Ottawa	I have a 1995 Dakota so my application is wrong but If I could run these headers Id put down my money instantly. Keep old mopars alive.

Re: Dakota long tube headers [Re: 2boltmain] #3121461 02/14/23 02:57 PM 02/14/23 02:57 PM
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A990 master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,731 541 slobovia	Is your truck a torsion bar or coil setup? These headers run pretty tight to the block, and may be worth looking into because your truck has a lot more open space in the engine bay. YEARS ago I chatted with John Mercedes about these, and he thought they might even fit an early A body without to much reworking.

Re: Dakota long tube headers [Re: A990] #3121519 02/14/23 05:32 PM 02/14/23 05:32 PM
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mopar65 master Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 3,837 Central Missouri Fort Leonard...	Ours have coil springs. The drivers side header looks close to the same as the hooker long tubes I have on my 91 sport. But the passenger side looks very different than mine. If they are $1300 that might not be to bad a price. I paid I think $840 for the coated long tube hooker and they are only 1-5/8. Also if you get these headers or like the ones I got. The hoooker black hart transmission cross member will work on the 87-96 dakota 2 wheel drive. Hooker made it for putting a gen 3 hemi in the truck. But all I has to do is redrill 2 holes on the drivers side and every thing fits great. I changed the cross member si I could have a true dual exhaust. With the factory one the hooker collector's were only about a inch away from the cross member.if anybody wants to see. I can post some pictures latter of the set up on my dakota. 3520 pound race ready 1973 Street/Strip Dodge Dart - Stock stroke 440/727 10.49 @ 125.0 on 93 pump gas & ET Street Radials. More to come... ( SGT Miller) Proudly served 12 years in the US ARMY RESERVES support our troops

Re: Dakota long tube headers [Re: mopar65] #3121521 02/14/23 05:37 PM 02/14/23 05:37 PM
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mopar65 master Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 3,837 Central Missouri Fort Leonard...	Here is what the hookers look like and what they cost now. I am not trying to push the hooker headers on anybody. Just trying to show the difference . I would like to have the 1-3/4 set for my 91. https://www.summitracing.com/parts/...hxwGGG6sWQshXKDJ18AznEeQ2fhoC1QwQAvD_BwE 3520 pound race ready 1973 Street/Strip Dodge Dart - Stock stroke 440/727 10.49 @ 125.0 on 93 pump gas & ET Street Radials. More to come... ( SGT Miller) Proudly served 12 years in the US ARMY RESERVES support our troops

Re: Dakota long tube headers [Re: mopar65] #3122896 02/19/23 06:57 PM 02/19/23 06:57 PM
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69DodgeGTS OP member 6 Joined: Feb 2021 Posts: 38 Florida	To bad they don't offer a larger pipe diameter for todays higher power engine builds and adders in those 91 up trucks. Costs on these new headers are cheaper than the Hookers in plain but coatings brings them up in near same area as Hookers. Your getting a lot more header and capability for the money with these new ones. Hey, if you had a newer Dakota nearby to check the space it might be something doable.

Re: Dakota long tube headers [Re: mopar65] #3123039 02/20/23 11:21 AM 02/20/23 11:21 AM
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2boltmain master 2 Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 4,769 Holland MI Ottawa	Originally Posted by mopar65 Here is what the hookers look like and what they cost now. I am not trying to push the hooker headers on anybody. Just trying to show the difference . I would like to have the 1-3/4 set for my 91. https://www.summitracing.com/parts/...hxwGGG6sWQshXKDJ18AznEeQ2fhoC1QwQAvD_BwE Thanks for the link. Its just a shame that for the price of the Hookers they are not made with super beefy steel like TTI or Dougs. But its for Mopar. Beggars cant be choosers. Keep old mopars alive.

Re: Dakota long tube headers [Re: mopar65] #3123045 02/20/23 11:36 AM 02/20/23 11:36 AM
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2boltmain master 2 Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 4,769 Holland MI Ottawa	Originally Posted by mopar65 Ours have coil springs. The drivers side header looks close to the same as the hooker long tubes I have on my 91 sport. But the passenger side looks very different than mine. If they are $1300 that might not be to bad a price. I paid I think $840 for the coated long tube hooker and they are only 1-5/8. Also if you get these headers or like the ones I got. The hoooker black hart transmission cross member will work on the 87-96 dakota 2 wheel drive. Hooker made it for putting a gen 3 hemi in the truck. But all I has to do is redrill 2 holes on the drivers side and every thing fits great. I changed the cross member si I could have a true dual exhaust. With the factory one the hooker collector's were only about a inch away from the cross member.if anybody wants to see. I can post some pictures latter of the set up on my dakota. Is this the crossmember your are referring to? https://www.cspracing.com/hooker-bhs542-blackheart-transmission-crossmember/hkr-bhs542/ Keep old mopars alive.

Re: Dakota long tube headers [Re: mopar65] #3127216 03/07/23 11:16 AM 03/07/23 11:16 AM
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2boltmain master 2 Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 4,769 Holland MI Ottawa	mopar65 I have sent you a private message asking about the crossmember. Keep old mopars alive.

Re: Dakota long tube headers [Re: 2boltmain] #3128018 03/10/23 03:01 AM 03/10/23 03:01 AM
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mopar65 master Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 3,837 Central Missouri Fort Leonard...	Originally Posted by 2boltmain mopar65 I have sent you a private message asking about the crossmember. Hi sorry for the delay. I sent you a pm back with the link to the one I used. I will make a new post on here showing the crossmember installed on my truck 3520 pound race ready 1973 Street/Strip Dodge Dart - Stock stroke 440/727 10.49 @ 125.0 on 93 pump gas & ET Street Radials. More to come... ( SGT Miller) Proudly served 12 years in the US ARMY RESERVES support our troops

Re: Dakota long tube headers [Re: mopar65] #3128092 03/10/23 11:57 AM 03/10/23 11:57 AM
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6PKRTSE master 6 Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 4,566 Motor City	My Son's 99 Dakota 4x4 has Hooker headers on it with a 360. They fit great. Didn't have to dig a single tube. I just rebuilt the 360 last summer. 1963 Belvedere 440 Max Wedge Tribute 1970 Charger R/T S.E. 440 Six Pack 1970 Challenger R/T, 528 Hemi 1970 Charger 500 S.E. 440 4 BBL 1970 Plymouth Road Runner 383 1974 Chrysler New Yorker 440 1996 2500 RAM 488 V-10 4X4 2004 3500 Dually Cummins 4x4 2012 Challenger R/T Classic.

Re: Dakota long tube headers [Re: 6PKRTSE] #3128171 03/10/23 03:11 PM 03/10/23 03:11 PM
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mopar65 master Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 3,837 Central Missouri Fort Leonard...	Cool looking engine. You are useing the hooker long tube headers? 3520 pound race ready 1973 Street/Strip Dodge Dart - Stock stroke 440/727 10.49 @ 125.0 on 93 pump gas & ET Street Radials. More to come... ( SGT Miller) Proudly served 12 years in the US ARMY RESERVES support our troops

Re: Dakota long tube headers [Re: mopar65] #3128201 03/10/23 04:46 PM 03/10/23 04:46 PM
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6PKRTSE master 6 Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 4,566 Motor City	Yes, I thought they would be more visible in the pictures but it looks like they are difficult to see in the picture. 1963 Belvedere 440 Max Wedge Tribute 1970 Charger R/T S.E. 440 Six Pack 1970 Challenger R/T, 528 Hemi 1970 Charger 500 S.E. 440 4 BBL 1970 Plymouth Road Runner 383 1974 Chrysler New Yorker 440 1996 2500 RAM 488 V-10 4X4 2004 3500 Dually Cummins 4x4 2012 Challenger R/T Classic.

Re: Dakota long tube headers [Re: 6PKRTSE] #3128203 03/10/23 04:48 PM 03/10/23 04:48 PM
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6PKRTSE master 6 Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 4,566 Motor City	This one shows them from the front just before we bolted them up. 1963 Belvedere 440 Max Wedge Tribute 1970 Charger R/T S.E. 440 Six Pack 1970 Challenger R/T, 528 Hemi 1970 Charger 500 S.E. 440 4 BBL 1970 Plymouth Road Runner 383 1974 Chrysler New Yorker 440 1996 2500 RAM 488 V-10 4X4 2004 3500 Dually Cummins 4x4 2012 Challenger R/T Classic.

Re: Dakota long tube headers [Re: 69DodgeGTS] #3147068 05/27/23 01:32 PM 05/27/23 01:32 PM
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69DodgeGTS OP member 6 Joined: Feb 2021 Posts: 38 Florida	Something must be good about these headers. There are only two sets of plain raw headers and one set of coated remaining out of this second alottment. Might not be anymore made because they have to buy them in large alottments so if not enough people involved they can't build.

Re: Dakota long tube headers [Re: 69DodgeGTS] #3155980 07/01/23 03:53 PM 07/01/23 03:53 PM
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69DodgeGTS OP member 6 Joined: Feb 2021 Posts: 38 Florida	These long tube Dakota R/T headers are great. Can't post video's here but to see and hear go to www.facebook.com/southeastrt Last edited by 69DodgeGTS; 07/01/23 03:57 PM.

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