4-speed reverse switch plunger not engaging help
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Car - 1970 Dodge Challenger 340 4-speed. Chased an electrical Gremlin down to the reverse switch in the back of the trans. When I jump the harness switch, backup and dash reverse lights come on. However, when I plug in the harness, nothing. If I remove the switch and push it in with my thumb, everything works. I can see through the switch hole, that the reverse lever inside the trans it right up against hole. I confirmed that the linkage is adjusted properly, and when I manually push the reverse linkage as far back as possible, I can't get the switch to close. It's as if the little ball needs to be in another 1/8 inch or so. The switch looks like a factory part. Did anyone ever have this problem? Is there an improved or alternate switch that reaches a little deeper into the trans?
1970 Superbird 440 Six BBL, 4-Speed, Dana, FJ5 1969 Daytona Charger 440 4-Speed, Dana, EV2 1971 340 Challenger Conv. Flemington Speedway Pace Car, FC7 1970 340 Six Pack Callenger T/A 4-speed T8 Tan 1971 340 Challenger RT Formal Roof, EV2 w/ V2 Stripe & Orange Houndstooth 1969 Talladega Torino, 428CJ 1969 Gurney Special Cyclone Spoiler II, 351 Cleveland
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Re: 4-speed reverse switch plunger not engaging help
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Did you try screwing it in with no gasket? I have seen where rebuilders use too thick of a gasket on them and it pulls it too far away from the lever. If you don't hear a physical snap or "clack" sound when you push the reverse lever into reverse there may be an internal problem. Gus
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Re: 4-speed reverse switch plunger not engaging help
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There is no gasket to speak of. Just a tiny o-ring that I squished the crap out of. There is a positive snap when I put it in reverse. As mentioned, the lever is clearly visible in the hole and almost up against the case.
1970 Superbird 440 Six BBL, 4-Speed, Dana, FJ5 1969 Daytona Charger 440 4-Speed, Dana, EV2 1971 340 Challenger Conv. Flemington Speedway Pace Car, FC7 1970 340 Six Pack Callenger T/A 4-speed T8 Tan 1971 340 Challenger RT Formal Roof, EV2 w/ V2 Stripe & Orange Houndstooth 1969 Talladega Torino, 428CJ 1969 Gurney Special Cyclone Spoiler II, 351 Cleveland
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Re: 4-speed reverse switch plunger not engaging help
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You might try a new style switch . I never compared them side by side for thread depth. You can get them from Passon, Brewers, Rockauto etc... Gus
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Re: 4-speed reverse switch plunger not engaging help
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You might try a new style switch . I never compared them side by side for thread depth. You can get them from Passon, Brewers, Rockauto etc... Gus measure the depth of the hole with the trans in reverse and compare it to the switch if not too far off and if you know anyone with a lathe they could likely trim it down. It will at least confirm the length of the switch is the issue which it likely is
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Re: 4-speed reverse switch plunger not engaging help
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Sounds like you're missing the spring that goes behind the ball in the switch. The spring is needed to keep the ball in contact with the lever. Without the spring the ball just bounces as it pleases in addition to nothing to make the contact in the switch work..
You could buy the new switch but I'd be pulling the side cover to find that spring - unless its laying on you bench somewhere !!
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Re: 4-speed reverse switch plunger not engaging help
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The spring is there. When I push the ball in, it pops right back to the seated position.
1970 Superbird 440 Six BBL, 4-Speed, Dana, FJ5 1969 Daytona Charger 440 4-Speed, Dana, EV2 1971 340 Challenger Conv. Flemington Speedway Pace Car, FC7 1970 340 Six Pack Callenger T/A 4-speed T8 Tan 1971 340 Challenger RT Formal Roof, EV2 w/ V2 Stripe & Orange Houndstooth 1969 Talladega Torino, 428CJ 1969 Gurney Special Cyclone Spoiler II, 351 Cleveland
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Re: 4-speed reverse switch plunger not engaging help
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Sounds like you're missing the spring that goes behind the ball in the switch. The spring is needed to keep the ball in contact with the lever. Without the spring the ball just bounces as it pleases in addition to nothing to make the contact in the switch work..
You could buy the new switch but I'd be pulling the side cover to find that spring - unless its laying on you bench somewhere !! If the spring were out of the switch I would suspect the ball would also have fallen out Correct ? You are correct he has no idea what he is talking about.
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Re: 4-speed reverse switch plunger not engaging help
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Mike - This is the one I used. It seems the o-ring is "new and improved" method of sealing the switch according to the description. I search the internet and they all have an o-ring. Also, I would suspect if its in to far and opens again as I shift into reverse, the light should come on briefly before going off. On another thread, Someone else had the same problem and they took the switch to a machine shop and had the face milled down. I would like to avoid doing this if possible.
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Re: 4-speed reverse switch plunger not engaging help
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You are correct he has no idea what he is talking about.
F*** off !! Take the reverse detent out. Put the switch in and see if it works.
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Re: 4-speed reverse switch plunger not engaging help
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You are correct he has no idea what he is talking about.
F*** off !! Take the reverse detent out. Put the switch in and see if it works. READ THE ORIGINAL POST MORON ! He already confirmed the lever is going all the way and the detent is working correctly.
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Mike - This is the one I used. It seems the o-ring is "new and improved" method of sealing the switch according to the description. I search the internet and they all have an o-ring. Also, I would suspect if its in to far and opens again as I shift into reverse, the light should come on briefly before going off. On another thread, Someone else had the same problem and they took the switch to a machine shop and had the face milled down. I would like to avoid doing this if possible. You can order the correct gasket from Brewers
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Re: 4-speed reverse switch plunger not engaging help
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Mike - This is the one I used. It seems the o-ring is "new and improved" method of sealing the switch according to the description. I search the internet and they all have an o-ring. Also, I would suspect if its in to far and opens again as I shift into reverse, the light should come on briefly before going off. On another thread, Someone else had the same problem and they took the switch to a machine shop and had the face milled down. I would like to avoid doing this if possible. I bet this new and improved switch is actually a switch for some other car that just happens to fit. "Sort of, almost, close enough, should work". Can someone measure an old switch and compare it to this "new" switch? Just for fun take the o-ring off and try the switch without it.
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Re: 4-speed reverse switch plunger not engaging help
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Mike - This is the one I used. It seems the o-ring is "new and improved" method of sealing the switch according to the description. I search the internet and they all have an o-ring. Also, I would suspect if its in to far and opens again as I shift into reverse, the light should come on briefly before going off. On another thread, Someone else had the same problem and they took the switch to a machine shop and had the face milled down. I would like to avoid doing this if possible. If you pull off the o-ring and screw it in does it work ?
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The o-ring seats in a bevel at the edge of the hole so its not really holding the switch out much . Pretty sure the switch housing is touching the trans case but worth a try. Thanks.
1970 Superbird 440 Six BBL, 4-Speed, Dana, FJ5 1969 Daytona Charger 440 4-Speed, Dana, EV2 1971 340 Challenger Conv. Flemington Speedway Pace Car, FC7 1970 340 Six Pack Callenger T/A 4-speed T8 Tan 1971 340 Challenger RT Formal Roof, EV2 w/ V2 Stripe & Orange Houndstooth 1969 Talladega Torino, 428CJ 1969 Gurney Special Cyclone Spoiler II, 351 Cleveland
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I have a Ford with lots of similar problems. Part is probably made for a Torino or Edsel.
1970 Superbird 440 Six BBL, 4-Speed, Dana, FJ5 1969 Daytona Charger 440 4-Speed, Dana, EV2 1971 340 Challenger Conv. Flemington Speedway Pace Car, FC7 1970 340 Six Pack Callenger T/A 4-speed T8 Tan 1971 340 Challenger RT Formal Roof, EV2 w/ V2 Stripe & Orange Houndstooth 1969 Talladega Torino, 428CJ 1969 Gurney Special Cyclone Spoiler II, 351 Cleveland
"Id rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy" Ben Franklin 1755
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