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Re: Any knowledgeable investment members? [Re: larrymopar360] #3034947
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really??? - check out what macy's owed to their various landlords... it was 10's of millions of $$$ during the pandemic... n no doubt there was many/many owners, not getting paid their rent... when u think u have it figured out... the man appears...

Re: Any knowledgeable investment members? [Re: crackedback] #3034952
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Originally Posted by crackedback

Is it in an IRA or tax deferred pre-income tax plan now? If it is, there should be no real restriction on moving to self directed IRA. Not know what the actual investment vehicle is, same as another comment I saw early...

I'm in California, what's wrong with my truck transmission?

Way too much missing info to make any kind of suggestion. You mentioned it was in an IRA, then say it is above IRA limits. If already in an IRA, the limits that are allowed for contributions don't apply because it's a transfer.


No, it is not in or from an IRA, the $$ are taxed money from a CD that was about to roll over. I closed it out and have the funds sitting in an account trying to figure out where to put them for the next 3-5 years.
Hoping by then things will have stabilized a bit more. The confusion may have come in when I mentioned there were other accounts. but I am not concerned with those at this time BTW the amount? 100k+/ - And to reiterate we are not gamblers when it comes to investing.
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You can put $20 k max in I bonds a year the other $80 hard to say.

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That cleared it up a lot with the source of funds.

Non IRA and out of rolled CD's you should have been reporting interest income during the CD life. Nothing to worry about from that angle

Risk free means treasury bills or similar.

Nothing to do other than an approach on what you decide.

There are a lot of things you can do with 100K to get a better return with low risk. 3% on that is $250/month.




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Originally Posted by crackedback
That cleared it up a lot with the source of funds.

NRisk free means treasury bills or similar.


until it doesn't ... when the man changes the rules...

Re: Any knowledgeable investment members? [Re: massdaytona] #3035041
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If your T bills are paying 2% and inflation is 10% you are losing 8% a year. And that doesn't even take into account taxes. So T bills are not risk free.

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Originally Posted by Mastershake340
If your T bills are paying 2% and inflation is 10% you are losing 8% a year. And that doesn't even take into account taxes. So T bills are not risk free.


That's not from the investment standpoint of other investment vehicles. Risk free only means principal you put in 100K is what you get out, 100K, sans all other factors. Or risk free "rate of return"

Yes you are losing out on the inflation front.

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Originally Posted by Mastershake340
If your T bills are paying 2% and inflation is 10% you are losing 8% a year. And that doesn't even take into account taxes. So T bills are not risk free.




That's where I bills come in to play. The problem is you're limited to $10K per person a year. You can do an additional $5,000 If it comes directly out of your tax return. Current interest rate is 0 plus the CPI twice a year. Current guess for May is over 9% which is 4.5 per 6 months. If you were lucky enough to have bought a few years ago the fixed rate was 3 and you would get 12%. If inflation goes to 0 you get 0 never negative. So if a CPI is 1 it works out to 2%. Must keep a year for full rate and if sold under 5 years you lose 3 months.

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Originally Posted by second 70
Originally Posted by Mastershake340
If your T bills are paying 2% and inflation is 10% you are losing 8% a year. And that doesn't even take into account taxes. So T bills are not risk free.




That's where I bills come in to play. The problem is you're limited to $10K per person a year. You can do an additional $5,000 If it comes directly out of your tax return. Current interest rate is 0 plus the CPI twice a year. Current guess for May is over 9% which is 4.5 per 6 months. If you were lucky enough to have bought a few years ago the fixed rate was 3 and you would get 12%. If inflation goes to 0 you get 0 never negative. So if a CPI is 1 it works out to 2%. Must keep a year for full rate and if sold under 5 years you lose 3 months.


never heard of an i-bill.... who is the guarantor ??

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An I bond is sold by the treasury. They aren't sold on the secondary market so you can only buy and sell them through the treasury.
And the annual amount of I bonds an individual can buy is limited so it doesn't seem like an especially helpful instrument to help deal with high inflation times like now.
https://www.treasurydirect.gov/indiv/research/indepth/ibonds/res_ibonds.htm

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I Bond current rate is 0?


It really doesn't matter whether you win or lose…
as long as you look good doing it!

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To all that replied, thank you very much. This I believe is why Tom started this site 25 or so years ago. For people to help each other by exchanging information. beer
Not quite sure what I'll wind up doing but the information has been very helpful

AGAIN THANK YOU !! up

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Originally Posted by BloFish
I Bond current rate is 0?


Yes . That is the fixed rate of current issue. So you can never get less than 0. They pay fixed rate of 0 plus the CPI twice a year. So if CPI is 4.5 you get 0 plus 4.5 for 6 months and if it's still 4.5 in 6 months you get another 4.5 which makes it a 9% bond. If it goes to 0 you'd still get the 4.5% for this year. If there is no inflation for 12 months your return is 0.

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Originally Posted by second 70
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I Bond current rate is 0?

So you can never get less than 0. T.


wow... now there's an investment

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Run fast from the annuity man. Better yet drive.

You can set up with the treasury and do the i bond thing. I’ve got some and the rate should raise again next month. It’s set twice a year. You and your wife can get 10k each and the other 5k if via a tax return.

With 100k, you get 500 bucks at Schwab for opening an account. You just need a referral code from somebody that uses them. That person doesn’t get anything. Only you do.

You could look at a dividend fund like SCHD or VIG. Those invest in companies that pay rising dividends. If you want to do real estate, skip the hassles(I was a landlord) and go with a reit. Best in an ira as the income is taxed as ordinary, unless you qualify for a special deal that was in the trump tax cuts.

Other than that, remember that people claiming to know the direction of things are generally wrong. Especially true of anybody hawking investments. The one method that works out is staying invested. Timing in and out is a losing deal.


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Timing in and out is a losing deal.


What a ridiculous statement. I jumped in with both feet in March 2020 during the crash and saw almost everything pump 45-50%. My Ford stock went from $7.00 to $22.00 or something alone. I just wish I sold it at that, when they are volatile, you also be volatile

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Originally Posted by Dart 500
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Timing in and out is a losing deal.


What a ridiculous statement. I jumped in with both feet in March 2020 during the crash and saw almost everything pump 45-50%. My Ford stock went from $7.00 to $22.00 or something alone. I just wish I sold it at that, when they are volatile, you also be volatile


Problem with this game plan, and you alluded to it, is timing.

Marketwatch has an online "game" where you invest money into the market, everything is real but the money you use. It's supposed to be a training type thing. One thing I learned is that if you are going to play the volatile timing game you had better be in front of the computer ready to trade when ever the market is open. I have a real job that pays real money that doesn't allow me to sit in front of the computer ready to trade. So while I generally make a few bucks over all I don't see big gains because I cannot hit the timing. Heck, I've lost money even being in front of the computer because I wanted a little bit more and the bottom fell out, lol.

As the song goes, you got to know when to hold them, know when to fold them, know when to walk away and know when to run. Learning that is the toughest part of playing the volatile market game and exactly why I am still playing on Marketwatch and not in the game for real.

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Originally Posted by Sniper
Originally Posted by Dart 500
Originally Posted by SomeCarGuy
Timing in and out is a losing deal.


What a ridiculous statement. I jumped in with both feet in March 2020 during the crash and saw almost everything pump 45-50%. My Ford stock went from $7.00 to $22.00 or something alone. I just wish I sold it at that, when they are volatile, you also be volatile


Problem with this game plan, and you alluded to it, is timing.

Marketwatch has an online "game" where you invest money into the market, everything is real but the money you use. It's supposed to be a training type thing. One thing I learned is that if you are going to play the volatile timing game you had better be in front of the computer ready to trade when ever the market is open. I have a real job that pays real money that doesn't allow me to sit in front of the computer ready to trade. So while I generally make a few bucks over all I don't see big gains because I cannot hit the timing. Heck, I've lost money even being in front of the computer because I wanted a little bit more and the bottom fell out, lol.

As the song goes, you got to know when to hold them, know when to fold them, know when to walk away and know when to run. Learning that is the toughest part of playing the volatile market game and exactly why I am still playing on Marketwatch and not in the game for real.


There are blue chip stocks you can just leave your money in, the banks, phone service, life insurance (just sold that one, somehow it held out when everything else was red but I only made $2500 off my $4000 investment in 2 years, which is pretty sad) I moved to the high stakes table.

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Originally Posted by Sniper
Originally Posted by Dart 500
Originally Posted by SomeCarGuy
Timing in and out is a losing deal.


What a ridiculous statement. I jumped in with both feet in March 2020 during the crash and saw almost everything pump 45-50%. My Ford stock went from $7.00 to $22.00 or something alone. I just wish I sold it at that, when they are volatile, you also be volatile


Problem with this game plan, and you alluded to it, is timing.

Marketwatch has an online "game" where you invest money into the market, everything is real but the money you use. It's supposed to be a training type thing. One thing I learned is that if you are going to play the volatile timing game you had better be in front of the computer ready to trade when ever the market is open. I have a real job that pays real money that doesn't allow me to sit in front of the computer ready to trade. So while I generally make a few bucks over all I don't see big gains because I cannot hit the timing. Heck, I've lost money even being in front of the computer because I wanted a little bit more and the bottom fell out, lol.

As the song goes, you got to know when to hold them, know when to fold them, know when to walk away and know when to run. Learning that is the toughest part of playing the volatile market game and exactly why I am still playing on Marketwatch and not in the game for real.


that is always the problem.
I look at bitcoin to remind me what an idiot I might be.
I didn't put in 20 bucks of bitcoin when it was less than a penny per coin. I mean like a fraction of a cent.
but if I had, would I have even held on to it after it jumped to 100 bucks a coin? how back would I be kicking myself when it hit 60k per if I had sold it back at 100, or even at a thousand per?
and I use game stop to remind me not to be greedy.
after it hit 400, I decided to play a few bucks when it dropped back down to 200. managed to get out with a profit, but was sweating when it went back down to nearly 100. lol.

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