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anyone seen this on a 360 crank pulley #3032835
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Anyone seen this on a original low miles 360 E58 crank pulley? I assume some type of balance holes were drilled. ( sorry about the crappy pics)

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I have seen were 2 sets of pulleys were spot welded together from factory. usually a 4 grooves with 2 more added. and have had the spot weld drill to separate the 2.

they could be for balance but me thinks that would only be to N balance the pulley itself as I do not know of pulleys being engine specific only model/app specific. and E58 is a police engine correct? that could have needed more grooves for accessory's

Hummm? very interesting indeed.

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Originally Posted by scratchnfotraction
I have seen were 2 sets of pulleys were spot welded together from factory. usually a 4 grooves with 2 more added. and have had the spot weld drill to separate the 2.

they could be for balance but me thinks that would only be to N balance the pulley itself as I do not know of pulleys being engine specific only model/app specific. and E58 is a police engine correct? that could have needed more grooves for accessory's

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It looks just like the other three groove small block pulleys that I had from the time period of mid to late 70`s. No welding that I can tell. E58 was police and certain performance models. I was wondering if somehow it was balanced as part of the engine assembly or not, as when I removed it I didn`t realize it had the drilled holes as it was covered in muck. Another odd part was that one bolt was longer then the rest. Not sure why. It doesn`t have offset holes.

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Originally Posted by mopars4ever
Anyone seen this on a original low miles 360 E58 crank pulley? I assume some type of balance holes were drilled. ( sorry about the crappy pics)


I would definitely question the balance of that piece .


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I would suspect those holes are for the pulley neutral balance. The holes to bolt it on the balancer are evenly spaced, so any special balance would go out the window once it was removed, unless it was marked for position.

That time frame was pretty bad times at Chrysler, they did a lot of strange stuff just to put a car on a dealers lot for sale. Over the years I've seen a lot of strange stuff that caught my eye and made me ask why, but the things in question still functioned, so there were soon forgotten. I could easily see them having a bunch of out of balance pulleys they bought at fire sale prices with the "custom" pulley balance for the correction, where normally they would have rejected them.

90% of the customers would never know, and most of the mechanics wouldn't care as long as it worked and didn't cost them money to correct. Really, until guys like us started collecting this stuff and started asking questions, it was probably only known by a tight circle of upper level management. We are now guessing why it may have been done.

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Originally Posted by poorboy
I would suspect those holes are for the pulley neutral balance. The holes to bolt it on the balancer are evenly spaced, so any special balance would go out the window once it was removed, unless it was marked for position.

That time frame was pretty bad times at Chrysler, they did a lot of strange stuff just to put a car on a dealers lot for sale. Over the years I've seen a lot of strange stuff that caught my eye and made me ask why, but the things in question still functioned, so there were soon forgotten. I could easily see them having a bunch of out of balance pulleys they bought at fire sale prices with the "custom" pulley balance for the correction, where normally they would have rejected them.

90% of the customers would never know, and most of the mechanics wouldn't care as long as it worked and didn't cost them money to correct. Really, until guys like us started collecting this stuff and started asking questions, it was probably only known by a tight circle of upper level management. We are now guessing why it may have been done.
That was why I was questioning the balance thing as there was one longer bolt as if it was marking a certain position . Maybe I`m just over thinking it all.

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Originally Posted by mopars4ever
Originally Posted by poorboy
I would suspect those holes are for the pulley neutral balance. The holes to bolt it on the balancer are evenly spaced, so any special balance would go out the window once it was removed, unless it was marked for position.

That time frame was pretty bad times at Chrysler, they did a lot of strange stuff just to put a car on a dealers lot for sale. Over the years I've seen a lot of strange stuff that caught my eye and made me ask why, but the things in question still functioned, so there were soon forgotten. I could easily see them having a bunch of out of balance pulleys they bought at fire sale prices with the "custom" pulley balance for the correction, where normally they would have rejected them.

90% of the customers would never know, and most of the mechanics wouldn't care as long as it worked and didn't cost them money to correct. Really, until guys like us started collecting this stuff and started asking questions, it was probably only known by a tight circle of upper level management. We are now guessing why it may have been done.
That was why I was questioning the balance thing as there was one longer bolt as if it was marking a certain position . Maybe I`m just over thinking it all.



Yes: over thinking. When you start stacking 3 or 4 pulleys together like that it, may require balancing.
They weren't precisely indexed together before being spot welded together.
Typically will see those marks on 3 & 4 pulley one.

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OK, thanks, Good to know.

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Someone removed a additional pulley that was overlaid on top of that set. That is why you see the larger 3/8" hole on top and the small, barely penetrated point on the inside. They had to get all the way through the spot weld of the outer two layers to release the hold. 've done this exact modification on later model pulleys that had more grooves than I needed for the application and done it on both crank and water pump pulleys.

The factory wouldn't balance an engine to the degree that those three holes would matter.







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