Re: B intake
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04/12/22 10:58 AM
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furious70
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B block Team G's have huge dimples out of the runners for bolt clearance
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Re: B intake
[Re: furious70]
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04/12/22 11:12 AM
04/12/22 11:12 AM
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440Jim
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I did a track test way back in the early 2000's including a borrowed low deck Team G. I will look for that info in my files. It was when I was running a 451 CID with Edelbrock RPM heads. Back then, my results showed the low deck MP M-1 and the Edelbrock TM-6 with some effort to improve those "dents" or dimples in the inner runners was the "best" for my 451 CID. And those hugh dimples in the Team G are not good. ---------------------------- Here is a different test: I did the intake swap at the track during MIR's test and tune with gambler's race. I have been running a Mopar Performance M1 single plane 4150 intake for the 383/400 low deck engine. I swapped to an Edelbrock TM-6 intake for the low deck. Both intakes were tested with a 1" open phenolic spacer and a Holley 950HP carb. Some notes. The M1 has the distribution stick modification as shown in the MP engine book. The TM-6 had the "dents" in runners #3 and #6 welded up and ported full size on the inside. The smaller "dents" in runners #5 and #4 were simply ported to the full port size. Then a simple match port and 1" blend (they were pretty good stock).
Here are the numbers with the M1 first:
--Time-Temp-RH--60ft--330ft-1/8mi--mph--1000ft-1/4mi--mph---NOTES 09:48am 81F 49% 1.462 4.252 6.620 103.72 8.677 10.434 127.63 cold oil first pass 10:00am 81F 50% 1.452 4.215 6.569 104.44 8.618 10.372 127.94 back to back lap
Car cooled, ate lunch, and removed the M1 intake and installed the TM-6
--Time-Temp-RH--60ft--330ft-1/8mi--mph--1000ft-1/4mi--mph---NOTES 12:25pm 85F 52% 1.497 4.262 6.616 104.30 8.663 10.415 128.04 carb/hood seal bad 01:40pm 87F 46% 1.507 4.277 6.624 104.69 8.664 10.410 128.49 lots of sun on track 02:20pm 88F 43% 1.500 4.255 6.600 104.57 8.641 10.386 128.74 best mph of the day
I installed taller foam to seal the carb to the hood after the 12:25pm pass (the TM-6 is 1" shorter). It looks like the 60 ft just went away after lunch. Perhaps the sun heated the track too much or other tuners oiled the starting line too many times, I don't know. Since the TM-6 made more mph even though it was hotter, I am sticking with it. That 0.8 mph has got to be worth something. If the 60ft comes back, then it will beat the M1 by about 0.04 seconds. Pretty dam close, if I didn't do this on the same day I couldn't say which was better.
I did some number crunching. Using a horsepower calculated from 1/4 mile mph and 3150 lbs, the increase using the TM-6 from 127.94 mph to 128.74 mph was 12 hp. Then correcting for the temperature change, it was 19 hp! Now this equation might be a little high, but the 19 hp difference should be close.
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Re: B intake
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04/12/22 11:14 AM
04/12/22 11:14 AM
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Over 25 years ago one of my customers was running a low deck TG4500 on a 451 with a roller cam and ported iron heads.
Welding up the big bolt clearance reliefs and porting the inner runners in that area afterwards was worth over a tenth in the 1/4.
68 Satellite, 383 with stock 906’s, 3550lbs, 11.18@123 Dealer for Comp Cams/Indy Heads
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