Re: Latest GYC with a rebodied "Cuda"
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I didn't see where anyone posted on this, sorry if I'm reposting... Apparently a customer bought a "Cuda V-code" and brought it in for restoration, but after looking it over, Worman finds out it's a re-bodied Gran Coupe. Rad support & cowl replaced at some time, GC trim holes welded & ground...someone definitely intended to re-body and "upgrade" the car. OEM dash VIN rivets & apparently pad. Basically called the car out - with the V-code VIN - on national TV, then says the customer wants to proceed with the build. Yikes. Seems to me that's flirting with trouble even further than the mostly-AMD '71 black Cuda build, apparently also a customer request. Well, at least it will be documented on tv as a tainted car.
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Re: Latest GYC with a rebodied "Cuda"
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I didn't see where anyone posted on this, sorry if I'm reposting... Apparently a customer bought a "Cuda V-code" and brought it in for restoration, but after looking it over, Worman finds out it's a re-bodied Gran Coupe. Rad support & cowl replaced at some time, GC trim holes welded & ground...someone definitely intended to re-body and "upgrade" the car. OEM dash VIN rivets & apparently pad. Basically called the car out - with the V-code VIN - on national TV, then says the customer wants to proceed with the build. Yikes. Seems to me that's flirting with trouble even further than the mostly-AMD '71 black Cuda build, apparently also a customer request. Well, at least it will be documented on tv as a tainted car. Assuming that Worman's "investigation" is credible...this guy can't even put a hood decal on in the right location, even with "factory documentation"....
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Re: Latest GYC with a rebodied "Cuda"
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04/03/22 07:30 PM
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My 69 GTS that I have owned for almost 44 years now had the top core support changed in 1979 when I wrecked it into a light pole. There are no numbers on it as my original was destroyed at the place where the numbers were. Lots of cars had that happened to them back in the day. I don't care what anyone says about my car, it is still numbers matching...
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Re: Latest GYC with a rebodied "Cuda"
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04/03/22 07:32 PM
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My 69 GTS that I have owned for almost 44 years now had the top core support changed in 1979 when I wrecked it into a light pole. There are no numbers on it as my original was destroyed at the place where the numbers were. Lots of cars had that happened to them back in the day. I don't care what anyone says about my car, it is still numbers matching... You might believe that, heck you might be right. You won't get matching numbers money for it though and in the end that is all matching numbers is about.
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Re: Latest GYC with a rebodied "Cuda"
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04/03/22 07:48 PM
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I didn't see where anyone posted on this, sorry if I'm reposting... Apparently a customer bought a "Cuda V-code" and brought it in for restoration, but after looking it over, Worman finds out it's a re-bodied Gran Coupe. Rad support & cowl replaced at some time, GC trim holes welded & ground...someone definitely intended to re-body and "upgrade" the car. OEM dash VIN rivets & apparently pad. Basically called the car out - with the V-code VIN - on national TV, then says the customer wants to proceed with the build. Yikes. Seems to me that's flirting with trouble even further than the mostly-AMD '71 black Cuda build, apparently also a customer request. so they get the car apart and find out it was rebody, then he goes thru with his original plans of building it, what else could he of done at that point?
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Re: Latest GYC with a rebodied "Cuda"
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so they get the car apart and find out it was rebody, then he goes thru with his original plans of building it, what else could he of done at that point?
I guess that depends on what the owner wanted. If he wanted a numbers match ride, ditch that one and find another. If he wanted a nice period muscle car, carry on.
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Re: Latest GYC with a rebodied "Cuda"
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04/03/22 08:28 PM
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My 69 GTS that I have owned for almost 44 years now had the top core support changed in 1979 when I wrecked it into a light pole. There are no numbers on it as my original was destroyed at the place where the numbers were. Lots of cars had that happened to them back in the day. I don't care what anyone says about my car, it is still numbers matching... You might believe that, heck you might be right. You won't get matching numbers money for it though and in the end that is all matching numbers is about. I cut apart a 1968 Dart GT and the core support had no numbers on it whatsoever. It was 100% original and I knew the owner from day one. If you believe every Mopar came from the factory with the proper numbers stamped on them then I have a chunk of nice dry land in Florida I will sell you. I am sure you have seen the factory VIN issues that are out there. A buddy had a 71 "V" code Roadrunner where the "V" was missing in the VIN, only 12 numbers instead of the requisite 13...
The funny thing about science is that if you change one miniscule parameter you change the entire outcome to the way you want it.
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Re: Latest GYC with a rebodied "Cuda"
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04/03/22 09:19 PM
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My 69 GTS that I have owned for almost 44 years now had the top core support changed in 1979 when I wrecked it into a light pole. There are no numbers on it as my original was destroyed at the place where the numbers were. Lots of cars had that happened to them back in the day. I don't care what anyone says about my car, it is still numbers matching... You might believe that, heck you might be right. You won't get matching numbers money for it though and in the end that is all matching numbers is about. I cut apart a 1968 Dart GT and the core support had no numbers on it whatsoever. It was 100% original and I knew the owner from day one. If you believe every Mopar came from the factory with the proper numbers stamped on them then I have a chunk of nice dry land in Florida I will sell you. I am sure you have seen the factory VIN issues that are out there. A buddy had a 71 "V" code Roadrunner where the "V" was missing in the VIN, only 12 numbers instead of the requisite 13... About a third to half of the superbirds have no core support stamp. I have seen several 1971 cudas with no cowl stamp, known original undamaged cars, but I have never seen a 71 cuda without the core support stamp. Mistakes did happen. I see no problem here, I know a lot of people do not like Mark, but I see no funny business from him here.
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Re: Latest GYC with a rebodied "Cuda"
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04/03/22 10:15 PM
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What I believe is irrelevant, I am not in the market for a numbers matching anything.
What is relevant is the person looking for a numbers matching something and willing to spend the cash to get it.
BTW, when did they start stamping the numbers on the core support? Might be relevant to what you saw, or rather didn't see. I believe 1 Jan 68 is when it was required? I am talking about SO#'s which started in 1967, numbers are numbers whether it is the SO# or the VIN...
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Re: Latest GYC with a rebodied "Cuda"
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About a third to half of the superbirds have no core support stamp. I have seen several 1971 cudas with no cowl stamp, known original undamaged cars, but I have never seen a 71 cuda without the core support stamp. Mistakes did happen. I see no problem here, I know a lot of people do not like Mark, but I see no funny business from him here.
i started to redo a 71 cuda that didn't have any #'s stamped in the cowl or the radiator support. the car was original and wasn't crashed. it was rusty and needed a little new metal, floors, t floor 1/4 panes. i roughed out the car to 80 grit. then started collecting parts and $$ to finish it like i wanted to. then plans changed with impending home purchase so i sold it that way. i did include pics of when i took car apart showing there weren't any #'s on the body. this was pre digital days so no pics on my computer.
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Re: Latest GYC with a rebodied "Cuda"
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My 69 GTS that I have owned for almost 44 years now had the top core support changed in 1979 when I wrecked it into a light pole. There are no numbers on it as my original was destroyed at the place where the numbers were. Lots of cars had that happened to them back in the day. I don't care what anyone says about my car, it is still numbers matching... You might believe that, heck you might be right. You won't get matching numbers money for it though and in the end that is all matching numbers is about. I cut apart a 1968 Dart GT and the core support had no numbers on it whatsoever. It was 100% original and I knew the owner from day one. If you believe every Mopar came from the factory with the proper numbers stamped on them then I have a chunk of nice dry land in Florida I will sell you. I am sure you have seen the factory VIN issues that are out there. A buddy had a 71 "V" code Roadrunner where the "V" was missing in the VIN, only 12 numbers instead of the requisite 13... My '71 'Cuda was triple stamped with the same (correct) number on the core support. Guy running the stamper must've been bored that day. The rest of the car was a mess as far as spot welds being missed, done improperly, etc.
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Re: Latest GYC with a rebodied "Cuda"
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04/04/22 11:57 AM
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The welds should have been obvious long before the disassembly and dipping.
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