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440 vs 383 throttle bracket for 68-70 style #3025647
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Can someone tell me the difference or show a good comparison picture of the actual difference on the throttle bracket for 4B for 383/440. Going through linkage and brackets for kickdown. Also for the lever I have seen straight and curved variations of the 2465413 lever? Was it a model/plant/year specific thing of just a different vendor thing. Thanks,

Re: 440 vs 383 throttle bracket for 68-70 style [Re: dragon slayer] #3025862
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Originally Posted by dragon slayer
Can someone tell me the difference or show a good comparison picture of the actual difference on the throttle bracket for 4B for 383/440. Going through linkage and brackets for kickdown. Also for the lever I have seen straight and curved variations of the 2465413 lever? Was it a model/plant/year specific thing of just a different vendor thing. Thanks,

bump shruggy I know some of the 70 models used holleys but not sure on question> maybe someone else will jump in wink

Re: 440 vs 383 throttle bracket for 68-70 style [Re: dragon slayer] #3025989
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I want to say they are the same then someone will correct me ,

so here is a bump


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Re: 440 vs 383 throttle bracket for 68-70 style [Re: JohnRR] #3026030
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Originally Posted by JohnRR
I want to say they are the same then someone will correct me ,

so here is a bump


I was thinking that the actual bracket was the same also, the rod going down to the transmission is the only difference. shruggy


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Originally Posted by SNK-EYZ
Originally Posted by JohnRR
I want to say they are the same then someone will correct me ,

so here is a bump


I was thinking that the actual bracket was the same also, the rod going down to the transmission is the only difference. shruggy
Probably so up 383 versus 440 deck hieghts difference, the 440 rod needs to be longer scope twocents


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Re: 440 vs 383 throttle bracket for 68-70 style [Re: Cab_Burge] #3026043
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Don't know for sure, but:
RB intake is wider, so the bracket that bolts to it may position the linkage closer to the carb.

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Easy to see on the 1971 Brackets in these pictures - The 383 has longer brackets where it attaches with the intake manifold bolts

1970 and earlier are listed here with different reproduction numbers

https://www.megapartsusa.com/products.php?cat=200


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They are different. Both mopar parts manuals and the reproduction crowd have separate listings. The 2 barrel are also different. Where the throttle clamp is positioned is the difference. 2 barrel have a longer extension to move the cable to the center. So for the subtle difference in the 4 barrel brackets:

I really do not think it is easy to see in the reproduction pictures, but I do think I figured it out for the 67-70 brackets. Attached are some pictures. From original pieces the 383 finger at the front of the bracket is narrower than the 440. The bracket extension for the clamp for the throttle cable is angled up more and the slot the cable clamp goes into runs along the outside of the bracket. On the 440, that extension is more horizontal, and the clamp is positioned slightly inside. This makes sense since the 440 is wider and there for the cable would need to move inside. The 4 speed brackets match, but the stud is not present, just a hole.

As far as the lever, I show both. The position angle is identical and they have the same part number as best I can tell. Either type I have seen on all sorts of motor SB, BB 67-70. So who knows why?

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Originally Posted by dragon slayer
They are different. Both mopar parts manuals and the reproduction crowd have separate listings. The 2 barrel are also different. Where the throttle clamp is positioned is the difference. 2 barrel have a longer extension to move the cable to the center. So for the subtle difference in the 4 barrel brackets:

I really do not think it is easy to see in the reproduction pictures, but I do think I figured it out for the 67-70 brackets. Attached are some pictures. From original pieces the 383 finger at the front of the bracket is narrower than the 440. The bracket extension for the clamp for the throttle cable is angled up more and the slot the cable clamp goes into runs along the outside of the bracket. On the 440, that extension is more horizontal, and the clamp is positioned slightly inside. This makes sense since the 440 is wider and there for the cable would need to move inside. The 4 speed brackets match, but the stud is not present, just a hole.

As far as the lever, I show both. The position angle is identical and they have the same part number as best I can tell. Either type I have seen on all sorts of motor SB, BB 67-70. So who knows why?


And there you have it, a picture is worth a thousand words . I started to type out a long reply about twas typing a long winded reply about there possibly being a difference in the location of the throttle cable clamp because the 440 deck height moves the bracket location mounting point further out. there is obviously a difference in the throttle valve linkage because of the difference in deck height so that would go with out saying .

Glad to see you figured it out .


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