Re: 318 To 360 Swap
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03/18/22 09:33 PM
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The cushion is most likely the same. The cushion to block brackets could be slightly different. Most likely easy to make fit. Oil pans as well as converter or flywheel are different as well. F bodies use spool mounts, not biscuit mounts. As Poorboy said, the 318 mount will fit on the 360 with a spacer. Poorboy's advice on the balance issue is also correct. All the 318 accessories should bolts right up. Exhaust manifolds should, but test fit them on the engine stand first. You can see the space in the following picture from my 318 to 360 swap in my diplomat.
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Re: 318 To 360 Swap
[Re: volaredon]
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03/19/22 11:56 AM
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Yes to Sniper's responses. I've done a few 318 to 360 in Diplomats and spacers worked just fine as he writes  One time I bought new poly mounts and that was probably a mistake due to the vibration transfer. Yours auto or manual trans? As they mentioned make sure you have the converter properly weighted or scalloped flex plate.
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Re: 318 To 360 Swap
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Was just curious as to why RockAuto was showing the same numbers for complete mount assemblies on both engines. Guess I will shim the new mount. Thanks guys. Because you can shim the 318 mount to fit the 340/360. But you cannot go the other way. So the aftermarket cheaped out by just making the 318 mount. Of course, the question in my mind is why Chrysler make the mount ears different?
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Re: 318 To 360 Swap
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03/19/22 11:35 PM
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Was just curious as to why RockAuto was showing the same numbers for complete mount assemblies on both engines. Guess I will shim the new mount. Thanks guys. Because you can shim the 318 mount to fit the 340/360. But you cannot go the other way. So the aftermarket cheaped out by just making the 318 mount. Of course, the question in my mind is why Chrysler make the mount ears different? Who knows why most automotive engineers did half the stuff they did over the years? Maybe the bean counters figured they could save two cents per 340/360 block by moving the one ear on the block, or maybe some guy in the design department wrote down the wrong measurement for the casting department on the 340/360 blocks, or maybe the guy in the casting department read the numbers wrong on a Tuesday morning after a long hard weekend.
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Re: 318 To 360 Swap
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03/20/22 12:33 AM
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Was just curious as to why RockAuto was showing the same numbers for complete mount assemblies on both engines. Guess I will shim the new mount. Thanks guys. Because you can shim the 318 mount to fit the 340/360. But you cannot go the other way. So the aftermarket cheaped out by just making the 318 mount. Of course, the question in my mind is why Chrysler make the mount ears different? Who knows why most automotive engineers did half the stuff they did over the years? Maybe the bean counters figured they could save two cents per 340/360 block by moving the one ear on the block, or maybe some guy in the design department wrote down the wrong measurement for the casting department on the 340/360 blocks, or maybe the guy in the casting department read the numbers wrong on a Tuesday morning after a long hard weekend. And my Mopar 340 race block uses 318 mount. So had to get one as the 340 one won't work.
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Re: 318 To 360 Swap
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03/20/22 09:17 AM
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I have a 78 Aspen wagon with a 318 and I am swapping it out for a fresh 360. I remember that the 318 and the 340/360 had a different mount on one side. I went on RockAuto's site and they are showing the same part numbers for both 318 and 360. What gives? Any input on this is greatly appreciated. The 360 was a factory option, someone surely has the bracket, if originality is a factor. Me, I would space it. Is the Rock auto part just the insert? That would make sense. Sniper posted a pic of drilling out the air injection port. The first set of headers i installed on a set of these heads made me ponder, until I realized they were completely blocked with carbon, so I just ignored them, and as long after that I knew of the where abouts of that car, it never was a problem. (next owner liked the car so much he kept it until rust killed it).
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Re: 318 To 360 Swap
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Was just curious as to why RockAuto was showing the same numbers for complete mount assemblies on both engines. Guess I will shim the new mount. Thanks guys. Because you can shim the 318 mount to fit the 340/360. But you cannot go the other way. So the aftermarket cheaped out by just making the 318 mount. Of course, the question in my mind is why Chrysler make the mount ears different? Who knows why most automotive engineers did half the stuff they did over the years? Maybe the bean counters figured they could save two cents per 340/360 block by moving the one ear on the block, or maybe some guy in the design department wrote down the wrong measurement for the casting department on the 340/360 blocks, or maybe the guy in the casting department read the numbers wrong on a Tuesday morning after a long hard weekend. They didn’t want the wrong parts put on a car is my guess
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Re: 318 To 360 Swap
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I've done several 360 swaps on late 60's and early 70's a-bodies. I had never done the swap on an f-body before. Will be running a 727 and already have the proper B+M flex plate. Will be using headers for the exhaust. I know the driveshaft will have to be shortened. Was just curious as to why RockAuto was showing the same numbers for complete mount assemblies on both engines. Guess I will shim the new mount. Thanks guys. Yes you'll have to shorten driveshaft. I've had several shortened on my M bodies. No local shops to balance them after shortening. The shop that shortened them insisted I did not have to have it balanced after shortening. I was skeptical but so far so good and I have not had a problem but I sure would prefer to have it re-balanced. I believe you'll need a different yoke as well. yoke on the 904 transmissions is smaller than the 727
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Re: 318 To 360 Swap
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03/20/22 11:43 AM
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[quote=Sniper][quote=elmor353]Who knows why most automotive engineers did half the stuff they did over the years? Maybe the bean counters figured they could save two cents per 340/360 block by moving the one ear on the block, or maybe some guy in the design department wrote down the wrong measurement for the casting department on the 340/360 blocks, or maybe the guy in the casting department read the numbers wrong on a Tuesday morning after a long hard weekend. The story I heard is that an engineer caught a mechanic with his wife, and as a society they have sworn revenge. Randy
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Re: 318 To 360 Swap
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03/20/22 04:09 PM
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I've done several 360 swaps on late 60's and early 70's a-bodies. I had never done the swap on an f-body before. Will be running a 727 and already have the proper B+M flex plate. Will be using headers for the exhaust. I know the driveshaft will have to be shortened. Was just curious as to why RockAuto was showing the same numbers for complete mount assemblies on both engines. Guess I will shim the new mount. Thanks guys. Yes you'll have to shorten driveshaft. I've had several shortened on my M bodies. No local shops to balance them after shortening. The shop that shortened them insisted I did not have to have it balanced after shortening. I was skeptical but so far so good and I have not had a problem but I sure would prefer to have it re-balanced. I believe you'll need a different yoke as well. yoke on the 904 transmissions is smaller than the 727 I have had several drive shafts shortened without rebalancing. As long as the ends are clocked the same and the shaft is welded back up on the lathe while turning they have been fine with no ill effects. Bubba's booger welds would not work well though.
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