Re: talk me into or out of 17 inch rims
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Not as worthless as lipstick on a pig. Mopar muscle can be improved substantially with radial tires, lightweight rims, high quality shocks (Koni), bigger torsion bars, anti-sway bars and various chassis stiffening measures. It takes work and money but it isn't impossible. John knows this. He also knows the OP's goal wasn't to turn vintage iron into something that competes with new iron. He's trolling again. No different than the behavior we saw in the unmoderated section.
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Re: talk me into or out of 17 inch rims
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[quote=A12]I look at it as three different styles or tastes. 1. Stock, naturally you know what that is. 2. Appropriately Day-2, with 14" or 15" period style wheels, Torque Thrust, Slots, Keystone, Chrome steel, Crager SS, etc., 3, Resto-Mod look, with low profile tires 55, 45, 40 series sidewall, and 17" or larger rims. I'm a Day-2 Old School DUDE because I bought my first Mopar in 1969 and not within the last 15 or 20 years, I ordered my '69 Road Runner in late March of '69 and got wheel covers knowing I was going to order "mag" wheels as soon as I burned off the redline bias rear tires, which didn't take long with 3.91 Suregrip, street races and trips to the track PID and Keystone Raceway. I grew old and set in my ways and never really liked most of the Resto-Mod looks (yes maybe a few) but it really got old when every "bitchin" type TV show's first order of customizing was to add big freaking low sidewall tires and wheels. EVERYONE OF THEM. I'll take a Day-2 look over anything for a '60's early '70's muscle car or even a non-performance car or truck of that era any day.....2. I'm not going with low profile tires on my Day-2 GTX just wouldn't look right to me, seems there are a few other OLD DUDES here that feel the same. Oh and BTW I hate that OLD SoCal word DUDE it's SoDated SoDude please don't call me DUDE (I think this is really a GREEN MOPAR thread in disguise.....I like GREEN MOPARS too ) Dude! that is a nice GTX
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Re: talk me into or out of 17 inch rims
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01/21/22 09:10 PM
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THANKS, (4-speed, console too, and Bro it has a bitchin factory 8-Track player . Funny too it's a California "E" built and sold car, Norwalk, CA, and numbers yada, yada, yada, can't do resto-mod for sure )
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Re: talk me into or out of 17 inch rims
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01/22/22 12:39 AM
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One of my favorite Valiants with 17 inch rims and a 427 inch small block. 160 mph on the front straight at PIR (and on the I205 freeway in the Portland area late one night)
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Re: talk me into or out of 17 inch rims
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01/22/22 01:22 PM
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One of my favorite Valiants with 17 inch rims and a 427 inch small block. 160 mph on the front straight at PIR (and on the I205 freeway in the Portland area late one night) The red brick!
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Re: talk me into or out of 17 inch rims
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01/22/22 01:36 PM
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One of my favorite Valiants with 17 inch rims and a 427 inch small block. 160 mph on the front straight at PIR (and on the I205 freeway in the Portland area late one night) The red brick! Should be: The red "Flying" brick! Looks GREAT and yes I always liked it too. There was a '68 or '69 Dart that was done for autocross/road race wasn't there??
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Re: talk me into or out of 17 inch rims
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01/22/22 02:09 PM
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Was that one of Mopar Action's project cars?
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Re: talk me into or out of 17 inch rims
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01/22/22 09:54 PM
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Was that one of Mopar Action's project cars? It wasn't an official MA project car but Eberg had a green Valiant that was a project car. The red Valiant was owned by my buddy Tim who lives in the Portland area. I helped with with a bunch of the work on the car and I wrote a few mag articles on the car. He sold the car about 10 years ago and it has bounced around to a few different owners on the west coast.
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Re: talk me into or out of 17 inch rims
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01/23/22 05:30 PM
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Not as worthless as lipstick on a pig. Mopar muscle can be improved substantially with radial tires, lightweight rims, high quality shocks (Koni), bigger torsion bars, anti-sway bars and various chassis stiffening measures. It takes work and money but it isn't impossible. John knows this. He also knows the OP's goal wasn't to turn vintage iron into something that competes with new iron. He's trolling again. No different than the behavior we saw in the unmoderated section. Your mini-mind is showing AGAIN. My point was, when you're done "improving" you still have a torsion bar, live axle pig. On subject, some of us like the appearance of the taller sidewalls, same continuing argument like RWL showing versus no. No winners, just personal opinion.
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Re: talk me into or out of 17 inch rims
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01/23/22 06:51 PM
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Not as worthless as lipstick on a pig. Mopar muscle can be improved substantially with radial tires, lightweight rims, high quality shocks (Koni), bigger torsion bars, anti-sway bars and various chassis stiffening measures. It takes work and money but it isn't impossible. John knows this. He also knows the OP's goal wasn't to turn vintage iron into something that competes with new iron. He's trolling again. No different than the behavior we saw in the unmoderated section. Your mini-mind is showing AGAIN. My point was, when you're done "improving" you still have a torsion bar, live axle pig. On subject, some of us like the appearance of the taller sidewalls, same continuing argument like RWL showing versus no. No winners, just personal opinion. Then next time lead with details like that instead of making an overly broad statement and declaring it as fact. You're still wrong though as the OP wasn't even remotely asking about taking the chassis to it's limits. Make a broad general statement, double down after being called out and act smug all the way down. Your SOP in the unmoderated section.
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Re: talk me into or out of 17 inch rims
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01/23/22 08:11 PM
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Not as worthless as lipstick on a pig. Mopar muscle can be improved substantially with radial tires, lightweight rims, high quality shocks (Koni), bigger torsion bars, anti-sway bars and various chassis stiffening measures. It takes work and money but it isn't impossible. John knows this. He also knows the OP's goal wasn't to turn vintage iron into something that competes with new iron. He's trolling again. No different than the behavior we saw in the unmoderated section. Your mini-mind is showing AGAIN. My point was, when you're done "improving" you still have a torsion bar, live axle pig. On subject, some of us like the appearance of the taller sidewalls, same continuing argument like RWL showing versus no. No winners, just personal opinion. Well I watched Tim blow the doors off lots of Vipers and Corvettes at Portland International with his Valiant. His Valiant had been heavily modified but it still was a torsion bar suspension up front and a 8.75 out back. Transmission was all aluminum but it was still an 833 four speed. Cast iron 340 resto block with Edelbrock heads and a 650 carb. If we were building that car today it would be EFI and have a 5 or 6 speed transmission but 20 years ago those parts didn't really exist.
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Re: talk me into or out of 17 inch rims
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01/24/22 01:07 PM
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In fact, the OP never stated that "handling" was his goal, more like availability and price was his concern; it was the wannabe Stirling Moss types that interjected improved handling into the discussion followed by the predictable personal insults to anybody that disagrees with the herd.
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Re: talk me into or out of 17 inch rims
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01/25/22 09:14 PM
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Not as worthless as lipstick on a pig. Mopar muscle can be improved substantially with radial tires, lightweight rims, high quality shocks (Koni), bigger torsion bars, anti-sway bars and various chassis stiffening measures. It takes work and money but it isn't impossible. John knows this. He also knows the OP's goal wasn't to turn vintage iron into something that competes with new iron. He's trolling again. No different than the behavior we saw in the unmoderated section. Your mini-mind is showing AGAIN. My point was, when you're done "improving" you still have a torsion bar, live axle pig. On subject, some of us like the appearance of the taller sidewalls, same continuing argument like RWL showing versus no. No winners, just personal opinion. Two questions: 1. Have you ridden in or driven The Red Brick Valiant? If not, you have no basis for calling it a "torsion bar, live axle pig". I can tell you from personal experience that the car is no "pig", it is THE most exciting car I have ever owned. 2. If Mopars are (as you put it) "torsion bar, live axle pigs", why are you on a Mopar-specific forum?
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