I've seen "Red" before. I can't remember if I've ever seen anything referring to a whitewall like "W", but I have definitely never seen "X" before (other than my own car).
I've kicked it around with a couple people, some say it means the spare tire (and hence, all of them on the vehicle) were flipped around to blackwall.
What I have been told sounds plausible, but....no idea. Anyone?
X = black steel wheel for the spare if the car full wheel covers. With "dog dishes" the spare would have been the body color of that car. Red would mean a Redline F70 ("14 or 15") tire on whatever color spare. Not sure what spare came with a car with "road wheels/Magnum wheels"??? One '69 sales film had an A4 GTX with road wheels and what looks like a silver road wheel spare in the trunk. I know that on the Lynch Road A12 trunk writing the X = black steel wheel, only G 70 15 redlines came on the A12's, (well for the most part, have seen OE white walls rare.
That’s interesting. I never heard that before. Does that apply to 1970 Lynch Rd cars also?
Not sure? In 1969 I ordered a '69 Road Runner and when I was asked if I wanted the road wheels I said no as I was going to buy aftermarket "day-2" wheels, Didn't specify them but the sales guy spec'd full wheel covers. I remember the first time I removed the full wheel covers at the drag strip ("No full wheel covers allowed") they were cool looking black steel wheels. My friend bought a '69 RR a month or so later with hub caps (dog dishes) and his wheels were F3 green same as body color....I was way cooler with F5 and BLACK wheels Spare was also black.
The car in that sales film is pretty special in alot of ways. The trunk lid has some weight savings done where production stuff did not...appears to be pre-production. It also has a bright orange air grabber duct....I'm sure there is more but the film is pretty entertaining for sure.
Yeah, I wouldn't rely too heavily on that car for restoration accuracy; it had to be pre-production, and I think it's the same GTX in the brochure. Always thought the red AG unit was interesting, but I've only seen it on Dodges; never on an original Plymouth. Looks like an early-'68 trunk lid inner panel, too. I've had a few '69 RRs with factory Magnums; the one that had its original spare used a black steel wheel. The other did as well, but I couldn't swear to their born-with originality, as they had non-OEM tires on them. My '68 factory-Magnum RR also had a black spare wheel. I'm sure Chrysler did whatever was cheapest for that.
Mine is a Lynch Rd hemi car with a 70X on the trunk lid. The broadcast sheet shows a body colored spare as well as wheels and dog dish caps and F70 red line tires. Now for another thought. Back in the day the owners manual shows how to rotate the tires which included the spare so if you had poverty caps they didn't want a black wheel in the rotation it would be body color excluding black cars . The full wheel cover cars got the black spare along with A12 of coarse.
Last edited by 69hemibeep; 01/12/2208:41 AM.
1969 Hemi Roadrunner 2nd owner
Re: Lynch Rd trunk lid Grafitti
[Re: 69hemibeep]
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If you have the build sheet it will tell you everything the car had when it left the factory.
Nope, don't have it, just partially failing to figure out everything else I possibly can otherwise (which really ain't much), but being that I owned it for a few decades I do care so I'll research as much as possible.
Mine is a Lynch Rd hemi car with a 70X on the trunk lid. The broadcast sheet shows a body colored spare as well as wheels and dog dish caps and F70 red line tires. Now for another thought. Back in the day the owners manual shows how to rotate the tires which included the spare so if you had poverty caps they didn't want a black wheel in the rotation it would be body color excluding black cars . The full wheel cover cars got the black spare along with A12 of coarse.
So yours seems to lead us to believe X is not necessarily a black spare wheel, and it is not blackwall tires either.
And yet we have other examples of "Red" and (now, above) we have a "W".
No worries, Zippy - that X could have been in error. I've seen R & RED & W & X over the years, but whether that communication was "bulletproof", who knows ? I recall seeing film of mounted tires coming down a chute to feed a car, but don't recall the specifics. I think everyone's heard about the spares literally being pitched into the trunks, so I'd suspect an error there could be possible.
Mine is a Lynch Rd hemi car with a 70X on the trunk lid. The broadcast sheet shows a body colored spare as well as wheels and dog dish caps and F70 red line tires. Now for another thought. Back in the day the owners manual shows how to rotate the tires which included the spare so if you had poverty caps they didn't want a black wheel in the rotation it would be body color excluding black cars . The full wheel cover cars got the black spare along with A12 of coarse.
So yours seems to lead us to believe X is not necessarily a black spare wheel, and it is not blackwall tires either.
And yet we have other examples of "Red" and (now, above) we have a "W".
My Lynch Rd 70 Super Bee has F 70 B on the trunk lid, which I think means F70-14 black wall (raised white letter) tires. No X, but I don’t have the broadcast sheet. No evidence of red paint on the drums, so I think it came with regular 14x6 steel wheels. My brother remembers his 71 318 Charger had an X on the trunk lid, and it had 14” black wheels with full wheel covers. I don’t know what plant that car came from.
What I don't get - how did they know if the steel wheel has to be black or body color if the written down R, X or W refers to the tire? If the letter refers to the wheel, like X for black steel wheel - how did they know which tire to use?
What I don't get - how did they know if the steel wheel has to be black or body color if the written down R, X or W refers to the tire? If the letter refers to the wheel, like X for black steel wheel - how did they know which tire to use?
Spare was also black.
