Re: Need some 4speed help
[Re: 8urvette]
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11/28/21 07:17 PM
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Okay, if i need to replace parts... WOuld i be able to save the cost of replacing the gears by going with a faceplated gear from liberty? Do they just remove the synchro teeth and weld on their part? What about the sliders? Is theirs a custom made one or is it machined from a stock unit? You don't need any gears just get a rebuild kit with new brass and you should be good to go for about $200 . Face-Plate from Liberty's would run you about $75 per gear and I think the sliders would run about $125-$150 each and get ready to wait 2-6 months to get your gears back. Here's pic of my face-plated Richmond race box Gus
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64 Plymouth Savoy 493 Indy EZ's by Nick at Compu-Flow 5-Speed Richmond faceplate Liberty box Dana 60
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Re: Need some 4speed help
[Re: Moparteacher]
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11/28/21 10:11 PM
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Since I have your attention here are a few more pics of the sliders and the gears. What do you think?? Since I have been looking at new pieces online i am seeing how much wear is on these parts. Just would like someone else to chime in on them as well.
My thought is to replace the sliders, synchros and leave the gears.
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Re: Need some 4speed help
[Re: 8urvette]
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11/29/21 11:10 PM
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540ci is a lot for any a833, even an 18 spline.
Maybe their concern was more about the choice of trans and less about the modifications.
With the torque a 540 produces it's likely 3rd gear is going to be nonexistent given enough traction. You'll shear the teeth off 3rd gear speed gear and cluster gear before you break the modified parts.
A $1000. quote sounds like it includes disassembly and reassembly. The website quotes $120 per gear (3x$120=$360) to faceplace or Pro Ring and then the cost of two modified sliders. I would expect $600-$700 without the additional labor to build. Some options: Jerico 4 or 5 speed, G-force 4 or 5 speed (I have a Long H-pattern shifter for the 4-speed for sale), Tremec TKX, Liberty Extreme-T, Passon, or maybe something from a Vipor T-56 with upgrades, etc.
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Re: Need some 4speed help
[Re: lancer493]
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11/30/21 02:18 AM
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In my experience the pro shift box requires a quick hard shift no matter the rpm. On the other hand my face plated box can be driven lazy (shift hard and fast - crunch) or pay a little attention and speed match it like a dump truck. After several fluid experiments I have stuck with Redline MTL it seems to do the beet job cushion the face plates when you get out of the throttle and the slop is taken up.
I think getting the clutch to slip would help a lot. If you are going to beat on it go find a g force 101a 4 speed and call it good.
Way back in 2014 my 9310 face plated gear set was over $1400. If I was doing it over I'd have put the money towards a g force 101a. It is more cost effective starting with a race box instead od converting a 45 year old 4 speed tto male ot live.
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Re: Need some 4speed help
[Re: Jeremiah]
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11/30/21 11:42 AM
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$1000 just to face plate a few gears? For $3000 I'll sell you a Jerico DR4, with a LONG vertigate shifter, ready to run...
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Re: Need some 4speed help
[Re: tboomer]
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11/30/21 01:44 PM
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$1000 just to face plate a few gears? For $3000 I'll sell you a Jerico DR4, with a LONG vertigate shifter, ready to run... Going to an automatic Jeff?? PEW PEW! Shots fired!
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Re: Need some 4speed help
[Re: slantzilla]
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11/30/21 04:44 PM
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My humble opinion, new brass rings, new slider, dump the clutch and go with a single disc system. Make sure your shift forks are in good shape. With regards to the main gears, dress up the cones with emery cloth. 80 grit is best.
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Re: Need some 4speed help
[Re: tboomer]
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12/01/21 06:56 AM
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$1000 just to face plate a few gears? For $3000 I'll sell you a Jerico DR4, with a LONG vertigate shifter, ready to run... Going to an automatic Jeff?? No. I bought a Clutchless Liberty.
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Re: Need some 4speed help
[Re: JERICOGTX]
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12/04/21 06:31 PM
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I had liberty, faceplate, synchronize 1st gear, and side plate modification. I believe it was right around $1300, that was in 2014, so probably more now. Was a lot of fun behind my 431. Didn't have it long. Ended up going bigger motor, so ended up selling that setup off, and going auto. To do over again, it been a jerico or a gforce.
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