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rear end choices #2987765
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I am looking at beefing up the drive shaft and rear end in my drag car and wanted to hear opinions.

What is the car?
1970 Satellite 440 footbrake/7.0 index 1/8th mile car
Current HP roughly 450 with plans to go to 550 HP over the next two years
Car weighs 2860 lbs empty and 3100 with me in it
Using Hoosier 29x9.0 radial drag slicks
Current set-up is an 8 3/4 489 w/4.88 gear stock posi unit
Drive shaft is stock
Pinion snubber
Stock springs
Stock axles

Options:
I have another 489 w/4.56 gear on a spool
I also have an empty 8 3/4 housing
I am thinking of building this and adding Calvert racing springs & Caltracs
If I did this, I would buy next Strange axels and probably upgrade the yoke to a 1350

My second choice would be to simply buy a new Dana set-up from Strange

Obviously the second option would be more expensive, but since I am planning to change the springs to Calvert and upgrade the yoke either way, I wondered should I build the 8 3/4 or not?
The advantages I see to the 8 3/4 would be:
1. Weight
2. Cost
3. Flexibility in changing gears, (this does matter as I usually run 1/8th mile, but would like the option of running a 1/4). If I bought the Dana, I could always keep the 8 3/4 I have and put a 4.10 gear in it for 1/4 mile runs. IS it easier to swap the center chunk from an 8 3/4 or swap the two setups out all together?

It comes down to either spending the $700-$800 on the axles and yoke for a 8 3/4 or using this money towards buying a Dana.

The question is, How would you compare a 489 8 3/4 with a 1350 yoke and spool and Strange racing axles to the Strange Dana?

What would you do?


1968 - 383 Roadrunner 4 speed street car, Dad bought new
1970 - 440 Roadrunner drag footbrake car 6.99 1/8th
2016 - Hemi RAM 1500 - Hauls all the toys
North Georgia / Central NC
Re: rear end choices [Re: cspracer] #2987775
11/22/21 11:57 AM
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Get a S60, D60 & a driveshaft from Mark Williams , I learned the hard way with the 8 3/4, AND Mark Williams can spin the driveshaft to the RPM that your combo runs for the balance, others can only spin them 500 rpm, another expensive lesson learned, all said I wasted about $2700 on blown up 8 3/4's & chasing a drive line vibration, its all fixed now !!!!!!


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512ci 9.7 compression, Stealth heads, 4.10 gear A518 ODtrans 4100lb,10.93 full street car trim
2020 T/A 392 Stock 11.79 @ 114.5

Re: rear end choices [Re: CSK] #2987811
11/22/21 01:41 PM
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I'm seriously considering going to an aftermarket 9". Easier to change and more "pro gear" ratios available.


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Re: rear end choices [Re: cspracer] #2987816
11/22/21 01:52 PM
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Well, we have a few of each running around. I prefer a Dana, but if 8-03/4 is what you got, a back brace is required, and billet main caps with ARP studs is the min for upgrades...On top of good axles...


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

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Re: rear end choices [Re: cspracer] #2987819
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I wouldn't spend any money on a 8 3/4 rearend for a drag race car. Either put a Dana 60 in it or just convert now to a 9 inch. Sell all of your 8 3/4 stuff to fund the switch. The Dana 60 is a little less expensive than a 9 inch but not as easy to get parts for. If you are sticking with deep gears then a Dana 60 will work okay. A 9 inch is well suited for the bigger buck cars that are making more power and going faster.

Re: rear end choices [Re: Tig] #2987820
11/22/21 01:59 PM
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500+ hp, relatively heavy car...

60 or a 9", no debate. Throwing out all the arguments - cost, Ferd parts in a Mopar, etc, - 9" all day long.


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Re: rear end choices [Re: cspracer] #2987821
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If you decide to use the 8 3/4 make sure and have a back brace welded full length on before installing the axles and third member. Make sure and check it for warpage after and if it is warped have it straighten before racing it twocents scope
If it was me in your shoes and knowing what I have learned the hard way on rear ends and drag racing I would start with a narrowed Dana 60 with 35 spline axles and a spool and skip the Cal Tracs and go straight to ladder bars with a good set of double adjustable coil over shocks so you can put a bigger set of tires and wheels on it later when you want up
It may take you a little longer and cost a little more now than later but do you want to do this twice. work
I did realcrazy downwhiney


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Re: rear end choices [Re: Cab_Burge] #2987827
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Actually, that's pretty light for a B body of that era.
Nevertheless, I'd go directly to a Dana 60, or a braced 9" if you really need to swap ratios.
Rearend breakage never ends well; keeping the car off the walls never goes out of fashion.
I'd check with Dr Diff, Cass has been very good to deal with.
Good idea to upgrade to Caltracs & 1350s.

Re: rear end choices [Re: AndyF] #2987833
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Originally Posted by AndyF
I wouldn't spend any money on a 8 3/4 rearend for a drag race car. Either put a Dana 60 in it or just convert now to a 9 inch. Sell all of your 8 3/4 stuff to fund the switch. The Dana 60 is a little less expensive than a 9 inch but not as easy to get parts for. If you are sticking with deep gears then a Dana 60 will work okay. A 9 inch is well suited for the bigger buck cars that are making more power and going faster.

iagree THIS!!! You can convert a truck/van Dana 60 for a lot less than the S60 costs. The S60 is really nice though w/ those side adjusters.


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'69 road runner, 440-6, 18 spline 4 speed, Dana 60
'71 Demon, 340, low gear 904, 8.75
'73 Chrysler New Yorker, 440, 727, 8.75
'90 Chevy 454SS Silverado, 476" BBC, TH400, 14 bolt
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Re: rear end choices [Re: an8sec70cuda] #2987855
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Originally Posted by an8sec70cuda
Originally Posted by AndyF
I wouldn't spend any money on a 8 3/4 rearend for a drag race car. Either put a Dana 60 in it or just convert now to a 9 inch. Sell all of your 8 3/4 stuff to fund the switch. The Dana 60 is a little less expensive than a 9 inch but not as easy to get parts for. If you are sticking with deep gears then a Dana 60 will work okay. A 9 inch is well suited for the bigger buck cars that are making more power and going faster.

iagree THIS!!! You can convert a truck/van Dana 60 for a lot less than the S60 costs. The S60 is really nice though w/ those side adjusters.


iagree iagree
regarding the gear swap issue, I've set up multiple sets in one D60 housing, and stored the shims, bearings and gears(with spool) set together for future quick swap in that housing. Once you have the shims required its just preload and verify BL.


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Re: rear end choices [Re: cspracer] #2987860
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Thanks to everyone. Cab I am always interested to see what you have to say. I agree that fixing it once and doing it right is probably the best option. It seems unanimous that you all believe the 9" or Dana is the way to go, and if I am going to do it, I might as well do like Cab said and go ahead and narrow it and change the suspension once. My budget is not unlimited and it will require me to hold off on other upgrades, but until I have replaced the drive shaft and rear end, I do not think I want to push for any more than 500 HP.


Thanks to all who responded.


1968 - 383 Roadrunner 4 speed street car, Dad bought new
1970 - 440 Roadrunner drag footbrake car 6.99 1/8th
2016 - Hemi RAM 1500 - Hauls all the toys
North Georgia / Central NC
Re: rear end choices [Re: cspracer] #2987869
11/22/21 03:29 PM
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Do the Super A cars still run the 12 bolt Chebby ?

Supposedly the less parasitic drag of any rear end out there ....,with decent strength in the package

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Originally Posted by dOc - 3.0 !
Do the Super A cars still run the 12 bolt Chebby ?

Supposedly the less parasitic drag of any rear end out there ....,with decent strength in the package


Not since you were a pup.

Pro Stock tech 9". Ceramic bearings, Lightweight, titanium, REM, etc.

Rules say OEM type housing only. No 100% fabbed sheetmetal housing. Don't know if the tech guys get down on their hands and knees and look anymore though. Prolly not on the shootout cars.

Big block/Hemi Stockers use a 60 with good parts..

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Well Mr Helpful ... which rear end has the less drag ?

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Originally Posted by dOc - 3.0 !
Well Mr Helpful ... which rear end has the less drag ?


A mopar 7.5 smile


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2020 T/A 392 Stock 11.79 @ 114.5

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Originally Posted by csk
Originally Posted by dOc - 3.0 !
Well Mr Helpful ... which rear end has the less drag ?


A mopar 7.5 smile


7.5 ?

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Originally Posted by dOc - 3.0 !
Well Mr Helpful ... which rear end has the less drag ?


Ever spin the yoke on a good Dewco unit?

On stock style units with standard bearings, preload, etc, the pinion being low on the ring gear is a disadvantage due to drag. Gear design and treatment, the best bearings, set up, etc., pretty much eliminates that.

Aftermarket parts, support and development, ratios, etc makes it a no brainer. Just like engine, chassis and everything else tech, that stuff flows downhill to the lowly bracket and class racer.

The 9", and designs based on it, are standard issue for everything up to the real fast stuff.


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Do you have a list of the bester ones and drag numbers ?

I’ve got a 12 bolt in that 27 roadster....

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Originally Posted by dOc - 3.0 !
Do you have a list of the bester ones and drag numbers ?

I’ve got a 12 bolt in that 27 roadster....


I don't.

If it blows up the first time you take your thumb off the button, it doesn't really matter how efficient it is. shruggy

M I right?


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I broke, rebuilt, broke, rebuilt and broke again my 8-3/4 over the past 5 years. The second time I fixed it, I did it right with a backbrace, 35-spline spool and steel maincaps. It seemed to be just fine set up like that. This latest breakage really wasn’t the fault of anything in the rear end, but my welds on the spring perches broke, and carnage ensued. I finally decided I wasn’t going to spend any more money on the 8-3/4”. I had a local racer buddy build me a Dana for a little less than an S60, and I’m really happy with that decision, as now I can move on to other needs with the car without ever worrying about the rear end again.

My experience is that weight kills 8-3/4’s. If it were an A-body you were working with, I might say the 8-3/4 is worthy of investment. In a B-Body, I’d suggest moving to the Dana. 9” in a 70 B-body???…. Nah.

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