Wheel Bearing Question
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11/10/21 01:56 PM
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Hi, I have a 2016 Dart. I did the brakes (pads and rotors) in December 2020, no issues. Recently took the car in and had new tires put on at the dealership. Got the car back, drove it less than 100 miles, and the "brake fluid low" light came on in the dash. I checked the reservoir, and sure enough, it was low on fluid. I didn't see any leaks, so I topped it off, drove it some more, and it went down again. Again checked driveway for leaks, etc. but found nothing. I put a little more fluid in, have driven it a few times, and checked it every day, it seems like a very slow leak, but I can see the level going down a little at a time. I'm thinking that maybe I have a wheel bearing that is bad (washed the car a month ago, let it sit a few days before driving it, and had a lot of noise everytime I went to stop, initially figured it was just some surface rust that accumulated on the brakes that needed knocked off) but the more I think about that situation, and now the low brake fluid, maybe I do have a bad wheel bearing? My question, with having done the brakes not quite a year ago (I've put less than 5k miles on the car between now and then), do I need to do brakes and or rotors if I replace the wheel bearings? What are your thoughts?
Thanks!
1972 Dodge Challenger 340 Auto 3.91 (B5 Blue) 2015 Dodge Challenger RT Plus (B5 Blue) 2016 Dodge Dart SXT Rallye (B5 Blue)
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Re: Wheel Bearing Question
[Re: a12rag]
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11/10/21 08:06 PM
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Right. Bad bearings, very sloppy, can cause a soft pedal as the rotor push piston back. But that's not a fluid leak.
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Re: Wheel Bearing Question
[Re: TJP]
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11/10/21 10:38 PM
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slantzilla
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I had a Dart. IIRC, there was a recall because something could suck brake fluid out of the master through the motor. Was your car checked?
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Re: Wheel Bearing Question
[Re: slantzilla]
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11/11/21 07:31 AM
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I had a Dart. IIRC, there was a recall because something could suck brake fluid out of the master through the motor. Was your car checked? Slantzilla, this might be what you were talking about. From what I can tell, this is 2013-14's, mine is a 2016. Not to say it can't be the same / similar issue. Several links in the article I've posted.. https://www.dodge-dart.org/threads/brake-fluid-level-low-slave-cylinder.35289/
1972 Dodge Challenger 340 Auto 3.91 (B5 Blue) 2015 Dodge Challenger RT Plus (B5 Blue) 2016 Dodge Dart SXT Rallye (B5 Blue)
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Re: Wheel Bearing Question
[Re: Challenger340Kid]
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11/11/21 07:32 AM
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I'll check the vacuum hose this weekend and report back. Thank you to everyone who has replied so far!
1972 Dodge Challenger 340 Auto 3.91 (B5 Blue) 2015 Dodge Challenger RT Plus (B5 Blue) 2016 Dodge Dart SXT Rallye (B5 Blue)
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Re: Wheel Bearing Question
[Re: Challenger340Kid]
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11/11/21 08:40 AM
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oldjonny
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Unfortunately, there is a reason the Dart is/was not a popular car. Maybe multiple reasons.
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Re: Wheel Bearing Question
[Re: oldjonny]
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11/11/21 10:00 AM
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Unfortunately, there is a reason the Dart is/was not a popular car. Maybe multiple reasons. It's crazy, I bought it as a "beater" initially, and I've made the comment to several people about how much more I like it than I originally thought I would. I mean it's a turd for sure, I have a 2.0L 6 speed, but it's comfortable, and it was one of 3 options (Challenger, Dart, Viper) in 2016 that Mopar offered with a manual transmission, and I already had a challenger. I knew going in that it was a "cheap" or "cheaply made" car, but I mean honestly, everything today is cheap / plastic, and not made to last.
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Re: Wheel Bearing Question
[Re: Challenger340Kid]
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11/11/21 10:31 AM
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The new Darts are not much car. I have bought one or two for resale, but won't again. There is a reason that Dodge dropped them rather quickly from the line.
As a side note, I will buy aftermarket brake rotors only when all else fails. They have quite a variation of quality and finish. Mostly not good. A good many need turned right out of the box and warp more readily than their O.E counterparts. Turning the originals (when possible) or finding usable original ones in the yards is the route we take.
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Re: Wheel Bearing Question
[Re: DaveRS23]
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11/11/21 11:39 AM
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oldjonny
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The new Darts are not much car. I have bought one or two for resale, but won't again. There is a reason that Dodge dropped them rather quickly from the line.
As a side note, I will buy aftermarket brake rotors only when all else fails. They have quite a variation of quality and finish. Mostly not good. A good many need turned right out of the box and warp more readily than their O.E counterparts. Turning the originals (when possible) or finding usable original ones in the yards is the route we take. Interesting...I had the opposite with my DD GM product. Factory rotors were junk in less than 30K and the aftermarket Chinese knock-offs have been great. I am on my 4th set, but 290K miles will do that (plus I'm not exactly easy on brakes, LOL)
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Re: Wheel Bearing Question
[Re: oldjonny]
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11/11/21 12:08 PM
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I have a 2014 Dart 2.4 6 speed which I bought new and now has 104,000 miles. It’s been a good reliable car, still looks new after 7 years of daily driving here in the rust belt. At this point I’d say it doesn’t owe me anything. I intend to keep it as my beater until it drops so I can keep my new Ram out of the salt. Sorry some don’t like them, naysayers can enjoy their wonderful Hyundai’s I guess while I drive around in my crappy Mopar! The hydraulic clutch system uses the brake master cylinder reservoir for its fluid supply, so if the brake system shows no evidence of leaks, I’d check the line from the clutch master cylinder to the clutch slave, and those 2 cylinders for evidence of being the source of your fluid loss.
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Re: Wheel Bearing Question
[Re: oldjonny]
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11/11/21 02:24 PM
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DaveRS23
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The new Darts are not much car. I have bought one or two for resale, but won't again. There is a reason that Dodge dropped them rather quickly from the line.
As a side note, I will buy aftermarket brake rotors only when all else fails. They have quite a variation of quality and finish. Mostly not good. A good many need turned right out of the box and warp more readily than their O.E counterparts. Turning the originals (when possible) or finding usable original ones in the yards is the route we take. Interesting...I had the opposite with my DD GM product. Factory rotors were junk in less than 30K and the aftermarket Chinese knock-offs have been great. I am on my 4th set, but 290K miles will do that (plus I'm not exactly easy on brakes, LOL) I am familiar with O.E. rotors failing. Google is your friend in these cases. The O.E.s use imported pieces too, obviously. And they occasionally have problems with them. But usually, the O.E. pieces are better than the parts store pieces. Not always, but usually. It is always best to Google particular problems to see if there is a wider problem. More information makes for better decisions.
Master, again and still
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Re: Wheel Bearing Question
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11/11/21 03:21 PM
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Factory rotors are junk. Even the vaunted Toyotas don’t have good ones. Years ago I simply walked into car quest and asked for the Canada made rotor for whatever I had at the time and that was the end of the issue. Well offshoring took care of that good solution. After years of frustration, I have settled on two options. EBC made in England and some even are made in the USA like they should be. You have to plan ahead and even if you do it can be hard to get them in your hands.
If I can’t wait for those, powerstop Chinese has been ok. It’s just I detest supporting China and do my best to shun them and their bs. This year we cut it close, but the boat from England finally made it the week things were getting ugly on a car. I estimated maybe 3 days left before it had to be parked. Glad it made it, the EBC stuff has been awesome again.
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Re: Wheel Bearing Question
[Re: SomeCarGuy]
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11/11/21 07:02 PM
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Factory rotors are junk. Even the vaunted Toyotas don’t have good ones. Years ago I simply walked into car quest and asked for the Canada made rotor for whatever I had at the time and that was the end of the issue. Well offshoring took care of that good solution. After years of frustration, I have settled on two options. EBC made in England and some even are made in the USA like they should be. You have to plan ahead and even if you do it can be hard to get them in your hands.
If I can’t wait for those, powerstop Chinese has been ok. It’s just I detest supporting China and do my best to shun them and their bs. This year we cut it close, but the boat from England finally made it the week things were getting ugly on a car. I estimated maybe 3 days left before it had to be parked. Glad it made it, the EBC stuff has been awesome again. I can't agree with that broad of a statement. I have seen too many O.E. rotors last the life of the vehicle given that no pads are worn to metal and maybe a turn or two. We just sold a Town and Country that had 240,000 miles and still had the original rotors. Had been turned once, maybe twice, I don't remember. It was one of our work vans we have had for over a decade. Yes, some O.E rotors are crap, as bad as or worse than parts store pieces. But it is simply not true that they are all 'junk'.
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Re: Wheel Bearing Question
[Re: poorboy]
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11/12/21 10:20 AM
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DaveRS23
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We still have a place or two here that turn rotors. But we bought our own brake lathe so that we can control the quality because of issues like the ones you bring up. We occasionally turn rotors for people we know, but by and large, the lathe is for our own stuff. We have had to turn new, out-of-the-box rotors that were not available to us any other way.
And we have a tire changer and a balancer for the same reasons.
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Re: Wheel Bearing Question
[Re: a12rag]
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11/12/21 10:36 AM
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The last time I took the Ramcharger rotors in to be turned they'd been new on the previous brake job, so only one set of pads wore on them, no gouges. I was told they were too thin to turn so bought new ones again. Just for sh*ts and giggles I asked them to mic the new rotors, they were .001 ~ 0015 over MINIMUM turning thickness. Just normal wear from one set of pads makes them ineligible to be turned. So either don't bother to turn them or just plan on new ones every brake job. At least the chinesium rotors are affordable, especially considering you're not paying $20 ea. (It thnk it was $12 ~ 10 years ago?) to turn the old ones. It's no wonder turning drums and rotors is a dying thing.
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