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Re: Iron or Aluminum?
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I'd fall into the 1500 block category, so this is all low dollar opinion. Do a low deck in aluminum, with a strong bottom end with meat for aftermarket main designs (not delivered), leave the pickup boss and hole out, just partially drill the fuel pump boss (no center hole or tapping) so the do it yourself guy could do the rest if needed, make the outside look as stock as possible (think stealth not e-brock), make it able to handle stroker assemblys, aftermarket heads, stock cover and oil pan rails, only external change I'd like is the screw in core plugs. Keep the after sale machine work to a minimum, so savings up front isn't gobbled up before assembly. That would pry another 500 out of my pocket pretty easy, making it a 2000-2500 block. I don't want yet another high dollar block that the machine shop has to work on for another couple weeks, or one that I have to stand in line behind the big boys, waiting my turn or even worse, have them hand-select the best and I get the cast-offs. 
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Re: Iron or Aluminum?
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so would you say that the market for the stock deck hight block is just not there(no matter what manufacturer)?
I'm lost on this , you do realize mopar made 2 deck height blocks ??? 10.725 raised deck , whic is what the aftermarket mostly caters to , and the 9.980 low deck which you can get , but only in alum $$$ .
Make an affordable low deck in iron and you will sell them . The B1 setup is based on a low deck block , you have to run intake spacers to put them on an RB block ...
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Re: Iron or Aluminum?
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so would you say that the market for the stock deck hight block is just not there(no matter what manufacturer)?
I'm lost on this , you do realize mopar made 2 deck height blocks ??? 10.725 raised deck , which is what the aftermarket mostly caters to , and the 9.980 low deck which you can get , but only in alum $$$ .
Make an affordable low deck in iron and you will sell them . The B1 setup is based on a low deck block , you have to run intake spacers to put them on an RB block ...
Maybe to the stock type builds. But to people who like 4.5 stroke cranks, and 4.5 inch bores, with plenty long rods (above 7") its not doable, well not "as" easy with a low deck block.
I would say that most people buying a aluminum block and racing are wanting large bores and large strokes. Cause generally speaking it doesn't add much if any to the build costs now days.
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Not very many people want to give $4K for a cast iron block, that has to hurt sales. When you can pick up a phone and order a Indy Block maxx block with Low deck option for just a few more hundred dollars more.
Or buy a cast iron World block for $1500 less..Just my opinion, and this is exactly what I did in both cases. 
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Re: Iron or Aluminum?
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If the chineese could'nt do it for $1,500 how in the heck can an American??
no kidding these people dreaming of 1500 blocks are doing just that .... DREAMING ...
Actually I think the chinese could , it was the initial outlay of cash and the number of blocks that had to be made to get that number is what killed the product in the current state of the economy ???
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Re: Iron or Aluminum?
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We do like the dual bellhousing concept, and it should'nt be a hard thing to incorporate, we were going to cast them all with that option orignally, but we were thinking of casting a mopar bellhousing to fit a powerglide trans, would everyone rather have the bolt pattern on the block or a new bellhousing? 
Doesn't JW already make that , the ultrabell ?
Dual bolt patterns for those wanting to run a stock case and sheilds and blankets ???
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Re: Iron or Aluminum?
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I could see that being pretty close to reality even in the states, if the numbers were there, it would drive down the cost substantially, still I dont believe it could have been $1,500 even in china, but thats the ticket,to get the price down you need to sell a whole bunch of them no matter if its an engine block or any other type of casting. I did'nt know that there was a bellhousing like that on the market, thats good to know.
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Re: Iron or Aluminum?
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Make it a LOW DECK..But try to make it easier to accept a 4.500 crank. Then you could get the 572" or larger in a low deck. I know it has been done, but it is very time consuming. The bores just need to go a little deeper, then the piston won't come out of the bottom.   That's your market.. As said, there are no LOW DECK after market blocks..  Chris.. 
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