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Re: Iron or Aluminum?
[Re: BIG BEAR]
#294966
04/21/09 03:05 PM
04/21/09 03:05 PM
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Quebec, Canada
Diablo
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what do you think about a 4.84 bs block, would people be after it?
I think there would be a market if a few more heads went to the 4.840BS.
Indy has thier 600-13's at that BS i dont see why they woudlnt start casting their "new" Pred heads that BS'ing.
My new engine is a 4.840 BS because i needed to get as close to 650ci as i could. I'm running the 4.840BS B1-TS heads but as technology changes i would love to see a set of pred heads on there if they would go to a larger BS'ing.
I think the market for a 4.840BS (or 5inch) engine is about the same as any mopar guy going out there trying to "WIN" agaisnt the GM/Ford Boys.
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Re: Iron or Aluminum?
[Re: BIG BEAR]
#294968
04/21/09 04:06 PM
04/21/09 04:06 PM
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AndyF
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Big Bear, if you're looking for business advice then I'd have to say that you need to make a choice, low end or high end. You aren't going to sell very many blocks with raised cams, 4.84 bore space, wide oil pan rails, etc so if you go that way then the price needs to go way up.
If you want to move a bunch of blocks then you most likely need to get the price down to the $2000 range so you can compete against the stock block option. Volume is your friend, best bet is to hook up with some engine builders who are selling crate engines so you have a steady customer base. Make a deal with Mancini or Hughes or someone like that to move blocks for you.
If you already have the tooling on hand and you have the equipment necessary to make the blocks then you're most of the way there. Why not talk to Brandon about supplying him with blocks? If you already have the tooling in place then that would save him a huge investment. He has a good distribution system already in place so go ahead and leverage it.
Are you tooled up to produce a low deck cast iron block? Nobody is making those at the moment so that might be your niche to own. World doesn't seem to have any plans to do a low deck and Indy is only focused on aluminum blocks. I'm sure there is a good sized market out there for a HD low deck, especially if the price is right and the block has some good features. Chevy bellhousing bolt pattern, bushed lifter bores, etc.
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Re: Iron or Aluminum?
[Re: AndyF]
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04/21/09 04:38 PM
04/21/09 04:38 PM
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Duloc
The Shadow
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Big Bear, if you're looking for business advice then I'd have to say that you need to make a choice, low end or high end. You aren't going to sell very many blocks with raised cams, 4.84 bore space, wide oil pan rails, etc so if you go that way then the price needs to go way up.
If you want to move a bunch of blocks then you most likely need to get the price down to the $2000 range so you can compete against the stock block option. Volume is your friend, best bet is to hook up with some engine builders who are selling crate engines so you have a steady customer base. Make a deal with Mancini or Hughes or someone like that to move blocks for you.
If you already have the tooling on hand and you have the equipment necessary to make the blocks then you're most of the way there. Why not talk to Brandon about supplying him with blocks? If you already have the tooling in place then that would save him a huge investment. He has a good distribution system already in place so go ahead and leverage it.
Are you tooled up to produce a low deck cast iron block? Nobody is making those at the moment so that might be your niche to own. World doesn't seem to have any plans to do a low deck and Indy is only focused on aluminum blocks. I'm sure there is a good sized market out there for a HD low deck, especially if the price is right and the block has some good features. Chevy bellhousing bolt pattern, bushed lifter bores, etc.
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[Re: BIG BEAR]
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04/22/09 07:44 AM
04/22/09 07:44 AM
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Re: Iron or Aluminum?
[Re: BIG BEAR]
#294978
04/22/09 09:51 AM
04/22/09 09:51 AM
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no prob $500,000 please! 
although would it need a water jacket?
Yes it would need a water jacket,Im pretty sure the pro-stock heads need lots of water.But think about it how many stock style blocks do we need on the market? Lets take it to the next level. 
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Re: Iron or Aluminum?
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#294980
04/22/09 09:56 AM
04/22/09 09:56 AM
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Quebec, Canada
Diablo
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no prob $500,000 please!
although would it need a water jacket?
Yes it would need a water jacket,Im pretty sure the pro-stock heads need lots of water.But think about it how many stock style blocks do we need on the market? Lets take it to the next level.
Why aren't they just running water through the heads?? on alchy shouldn't that be enough to keep everything cool?
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Re: Iron or Aluminum?
[Re: Diablo]
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04/22/09 10:01 AM
04/22/09 10:01 AM
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Hmmm since it is the CNC machine doing most the work with a billet block im sure there is a way to get the price down to 5000-7000$ all done ready to go.
Different bolt patterns, BS'ings, Cam hieght, and all the pretty stuf are just at a computer program.
Just an idea. But there would be no water, but for the guys running the bigger BS's are we really wanting water in the block?
I know I would pay 5000.00 - 7000.00 for that block,as far as the water in the block, maybe just water in the heads would be ok 
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Re: Iron or Aluminum?
[Re: unknown]
#294982
04/22/09 10:05 AM
04/22/09 10:05 AM
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Quebec, Canada
Diablo
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Hmmm since it is the CNC machine doing most the work with a billet block im sure there is a way to get the price down to 5000-7000$ all done ready to go.
Different bolt patterns, BS'ings, Cam hieght, and all the pretty stuf are just at a computer program.
Just an idea. But there would be no water, but for the guys running the bigger BS's are we really wanting water in the block?
I know I would pay 5000.00 - 7000.00 for that block,as far as the water in the block, maybe just water in the heads would be ok
i think it would be alright as long as your not running gas.
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