Re: 1959 361ci. swap to 383
[Re: NANKET]
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08/09/21 10:30 AM
08/09/21 10:30 AM
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NachoRT74
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1961 and older was a cast iron torqueflight or a powerflite 2 speed depending on the car. 1962 was the first aluminum 727 with a 6 bolt crank and a flexplate.
The 1961 and older crank has 8 holes and the flange sticks out much further.
In the 59 dodge, the generator mounts on the exhaust manifold and water pump housing. There are no bolt holes in the ends of the heads. The power steering pump mounts to the water pump housing. So other than the crankshaft and water pump housing you could use the rest of the 68 383.
Last year of a 361 in a car was 1966 Last year of a 413 in a car was 1965
That's why I'm saying, build up the 383 with the 361 crank. ( and well... WP and exhaust )
With a Charger born in Chrysler assembly plant in Valencia, Venezuela
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Re: 1959 361ci. swap to 383
[Re: TJP]
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08/09/21 11:56 PM
08/09/21 11:56 PM
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NANKET
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Is the engine to trans bolt pattern the same? I'll ask again, Is the engine to trans bolt pattern the same? Also are there any other dimensional differences beyond the length of the crank ? motor mounts? Sounds like a can of worms to me You are making this hard. The block is the same. The mounting ears and bellhousing pattern and dowels are the same. The starter area is the same. The accessories all bolt on the same. The rear main seal retainer is different at the side seals, but you can use the common seal retainer in the older blocks. The freeze plugs in block and head are a different type 1962 and older, but it doesn’t change anything. They are a disc instead of a cup type. Spend some time troubleshooting the 361 and see if you can fix it First.
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Re: 1959 361ci. swap to 383
[Re: TJP]
#2952411
08/10/21 11:46 AM
08/10/21 11:46 AM
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moparx
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the newer 383 has a 6 bolt crank flange, while the older 361 has an 8 bolt crank flange, and as has been already stated, the 361 crank flange is 1" longer than the newer 383. so if using the 383, some kind of an adapter will have to be made to mate the crank to the 361 flexplate. that may, or may not be hard to do. it may not be even possible, i don't have a crank in front of me to inspect as to the possibility of such an adapter. the 59 engine mounts will have to be used on the 383, as they are an entirely different style of mount than the newer 383 uses. the accessory mounting holes on the end[s] of the 383 head[s] may be different than the 361 heads. i'm just stating this as a precaution if the OP decides to use the 383 heads to get the 361 running. also, the 361 heads may be closed chamber heads as well, while the 383 may have open chamber heads. [i don't remember what the 361 had for heads.] i think this post may be repeating myself.
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