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Re: Anyone running an Aftermarket K on a 64 B body [Re: HardcoreB] #2943589
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DVW has Cfibre bumper brackets but still OEM bumpers front and back. But IIRC he mentioned the OEM bumpers weren't especially heavy to justify the look he wanted. I'm sure his choice in rims isn't the lightest compared to a decent Weld rim. (non beadloc)

Re: Anyone running an Aftermarket K on a 64 B body [Re: HardcoreB] #2943596
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Just get a lithium 16 volt battery.
That's 32 lbs. Off right there.
Hopefully you have a aluminum block and heads already.

Re: Anyone running an Aftermarket K on a 64 B body [Re: HardcoreB] #2943651
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Was it Bondo Bob who used to cut the k-frame apart and tie it back together with a cm tube?

You can get quite a bit of weight off just cutting and rewelding the flange around it.


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Re: Anyone running an Aftermarket K on a 64 B body [Re: slantzilla] #2943683
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I have a Alterkation on the wagon , wheels don't stick out if you have right offset ..

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Re: Anyone running an Aftermarket K on a 64 B body [Re: slantzilla] #2943717
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Bondo Bob's master piece, excellent work

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Re: Anyone running an Aftermarket K on a 64 B body [Re: nss guy] #2943722
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My K frame. Flanges and mounts trimmed. Tube steering box brace. Strut rods and steering shaft are tube. Center support behind grill is tube. loose the torsion bars and steering for ack and loose even more. Car currently is right around 3100 w/o me in it. All steel except the hood.
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Re: Anyone running an Aftermarket K on a 64 B body [Re: dvw] #2943874
07/16/21 09:47 AM
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I have done the cut and trim route on a few cars. Never really quantified the savings just knew it was less and back then didnt have the cash to do anything else. We have converter a couple old GM cars to a rack but never tried it on a Mopar and not sure I want to here with the stock K anyway. If I go that far will just get rid of all of it. We do plan to go on a weight loss program with the usual stuff, holesaws where we can and not be noticeable, lightweight fasteners where possible, lighter wheels, stripping the layers of paint on it off, undercoating, lighter driveshaft, lighter seats, remove cage which is a mixture of moly and mild for all moly etc etc. Will be keeping all the glass, trim, horns, wipers and steel though. Just going to approach like a stocker build with some liberties. Woudl love to get it down to 3150-3200 with me in it and think we can get there. The aftermarket K is a consideration but as Sean pointed out I already have the stuff for a stock K in it. Well unless that pesky Hemi ends up in it in which is why I asked as no one seems to want it. In that case 3400 will be about all I can do without going crazy and still maintain "stock" sppearance.


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Re: Anyone running an Aftermarket K on a 64 B body [Re: Al_Alguire] #2943906
07/16/21 11:23 AM
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Pic of this car?

Re: Anyone running an Aftermarket K on a 64 B body [Re: John Burdine] #2943993
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Originally Posted by 493_john
Pic of this car?



Not really. Been busy with life and working on it the other new acquisition and the Vette have kept me busy. I did pull it out to load it up to go to Muncie last week and took a short video. Here is that



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Re: Anyone running an Aftermarket K on a 64 B body [Re: Al_Alguire] #2944001
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Only bad pics I have

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Re: Anyone running an Aftermarket K on a 64 B body [Re: Al_Alguire] #2944033
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Al! That car is awesome! wave


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Re: Anyone running an Aftermarket K on a 64 B body [Re: tboomer] #2944047
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That is real nice

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Re: Anyone running an Aftermarket K on a 64 B body [Re: tex013] #2944051
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Beautiful '64, Al!

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Re: Anyone running an Aftermarket K on a 64 B body [Re: EvilB1Dart] #2944170
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That car looks familiar did it come out of michigan? Al how much wght do you think you will save with after market k member? A stock member with all its v8 brackets is 37 ilbs. you can easily remove ten modifing it. after market member is 21 on the one that i weighed. so in the end you are only lighter by a couple of lbs.


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Re: Anyone running an Aftermarket K on a 64 B body [Re: JAKE68] #2944777
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Originally Posted by JAKE68
That car looks familiar did it come out of michigan? Al how much wght do you think you will save with after market k member? A stock member with all its v8 brackets is 37 ilbs. you can easily remove ten modifing it. after market member is 21 on the one that i weighed. so in the end you are only lighter by a couple of lbs.


Car is from the Detroit area. Has not been out and about for 7 years or so. I agree cutting and trimming what I have seems like the best way for now.


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Re: Anyone running an Aftermarket K on a 64 B body [Re: Al_Alguire] #2944869
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Here is a stock one that bondo Bob done.. Just for ideas

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Re: Anyone running an Aftermarket K on a 64 B body [Re: VernMotor] #2944887
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Originally Posted by VernMotor
Here is a stock one that bondo Bob done.. Just for ideas



Looks like you can't use stock steering box with at K frame.
Wonder how to put a rack on it?

Re: Anyone running an Aftermarket K on a 64 B body [Re: Sammy] #2944982
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Originally Posted by Sammy
Originally Posted by VernMotor
Here is a stock one that bondo Bob done.. Just for ideas



Looks like you can't use stock steering box with at K frame.
Wonder how to put a rack on it?


Yes the steering box mount is still on there

Re: Anyone running an Aftermarket K on a 64 B body [Re: VernMotor] #2944987
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Originally Posted by VernMotor
Originally Posted by Sammy
Originally Posted by VernMotor
Here is a stock one that bondo Bob done.. Just for ideas



Looks like you can't use stock steering box with at K frame.
Wonder how to put a rack on it?


Yes the steering box mount is still on there




What about the torsion bars?

Re: Anyone running an Aftermarket K on a 64 B body [Re: Sammy] #2945013
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These K frame lightening threads are rather scary IMO.

Consider these elements for consideration of just gravity loads:

a. on a TB car, all gravity forces/etc go from the tire to the TB pivot on the K frame and then back to the chassis/frame.
b. Most cars mount the single heaviest most dense item (motor) directly to the k frame, that makes for a very efficient and short load path
c. On a motor plate TB car, the gravity forces that the motor contributes has a more convoluted (less efficient/less stiff) path back to the tires and thru the K frame.
d. On an aftermarket coil spring car the tire gravity forces go thru the upper spring mount, and the motor's gravity forces find their way back to this upper spring mount by way of a motor plate or thru whatever k frame used.

Cornering loads are way more complex, but of reduced concern for 1/4 mile applications

The amount of stiffness lost due to outer flange removal/reduction, and/or ANY crossectional reduction, in ANY plane is huge, and IMO unwise for the minor weight reduction achieved to the most critical suspension structure on a TB mopar..


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