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Re: Choosing a torque converter [Re: A727Tflite] #2929645
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Is there a website to check options, or have to call dealership? [/quote]

A dealer with a good parts counter guy will be your best bet. I’ll see if I can scare up some part numbers for you.
What application are you looking for ? [/quote]

I have a 95 518 out of a 3500 Van, hooked up to a 70 340.
So looking for something with a higher stall

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Re: Choosing a torque converter [Re: volaredon] #2929648
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Originally Posted by volaredon
I wanted that Tork master for my 727 behind the slant6 I'm building for my D150 until I found out that my current 727 is a lock up version, nobody makes/builds a converter for a lockup besides "stock replacement".


Idk... Maybe the Torco I'm getting is as good or better...
If it hadn't of been for having spent over $3000 on this tranny so far(two rebuilds plus...) I would have definitely gone with the TM2000...

Re: Choosing a torque converter [Re: B300 VanDanage] #2929759
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Originally Posted by B300 VanDanage
Originally Posted by John_Kunkel
Does that converter have the necessary external balance weights?


I really hope so! It says fully balanced in the description... No picture of the front cover...


"Fully balanced" doesn't mean it's external balanced. 764 is a common rebuilder's number for the factory 2801764 11" converter....normally, if the converter has external weights, the number will reflect that weight i.e. 764MW (medium weight) is for the 400/440 cast crank while the 764BW (big weight) is for the 360.

I'm betting the converter you receive will have no weights and you'll need a B&M 10236 flexplate to achieve external balance.

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/bmm-10236


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Re: Choosing a torque converter [Re: B300 VanDanage] #2930003
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Originally Posted by B300 VanDanage
Originally Posted by larrymopar360
Originally Posted by John_Kunkel
Does that converter have the necessary external balance weights?
As John says or a scalloped flex plate B&M 10236


What do you mean?
If it doesn't have the external weight I'll be able to buy the B&M flex plate to resolve that issue?
yes


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Re: Choosing a torque converter [Re: John_Kunkel] #2930298
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Originally Posted by John_Kunkel
Originally Posted by B300 VanDanage
Originally Posted by John_Kunkel
Does that converter have the necessary external balance weights?


I really hope so! It says fully balanced in the description... No picture of the front cover...


"Fully balanced" doesn't mean it's external balanced. 764 is a common rebuilder's number for the factory 2801764 11" converter....normally, if the converter has external weights, the number will reflect that weight i.e. 764MW (medium weight) is for the 400/440 cast crank while the 764BW (big weight) is for the 360.

I'm betting the converter you receive will have no weights and you'll need a B&M 10236 flexplate to achieve external balance.

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/bmm-10236


Dang it... I was trying to avoid spending more money and I have a stock flex plate on the way!
Sheesh it never ends...
I would've spent the extra $75 for the B&M converter instead(assuming it's better then the Torco)...

I know the weight you're talking about...

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Re: Choosing a torque converter [Re: B300 VanDanage] #2930306
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They sell weights with template to weld on or you can knock weights off a converter depending on which route you go.


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Re: Choosing a torque converter [Re: B300 VanDanage] #2930314
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I forgot that I had already asked them about the flex plate and everything and they said it would work with the stock fp.
Here's a screenshot of the messages we exchanged...

Did they lie to me?

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Re: Choosing a torque converter [Re: B300 VanDanage] #2930370
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They didn't lie as their message says neutral balanced, but that is not what you need , if they said that will work with a 360 engine then they lied as all 360's use a weighted converter not neutral balance or you will need the scalloped flexplate or weight kit or else you will have a horrible vibration.


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Re: Choosing a torque converter [Re: jwilson 61] #2930502
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Originally Posted by jwilson 61
They didn't lie as their message says neutral balanced, but that is not what you need , if they said that will work with a 360 engine then they lied as all 360's use a weighted converter not neutral balance or you will need the scalloped flexplate or weight kit or else you will have a horrible vibration.


Then they lied because clearly they replied that it would bolt right up to the stock flex plate and it does not!

Anyway... How difficult is it to weld a weight on the new tc? I really don't wanna spend $120+ on another flex plate...
I have the "old" fp with the weight on it... Can't I just cut it off and weld it on to the new one?

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As easy as it is to install a counter balanced flex plate I should be able just to weld a weight onto a specific spot on the converter right? It's not like it needs to be specifically ballance on a machine(that's the neutral balancing right?).

If the scalloped flex plate goes on a certain way then the weight should go on a specific side also? It should be that easy...?

Re: Choosing a torque converter [Re: B300 VanDanage] #2930513
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Originally Posted by B300 VanDanage
Anyone familiar with B&M converters?
I'm really leaning towards the Tork Master 2000...


So here are my options so far:

Pro King cr25l. $89

B&M 10416 Tork Master 2000. $260 plus $100 flex plate

Torco 764HD $177


After looking into it I've found that Torco is actually a really good company and make a quality converter... If this converter bolts to the stock flex plate I think it'll be the one...



I ran a B&M Holeshot 3000 several years ago and it was flawless. Obviously a little more stall than you're looking for. I had a 440/727 combo. My 440 would idle about 900rpm, the converter move the car under regular acceleration about 1200 rpm and behave normally after that. If I mashed the brake pedal from a stop and hit the gas pedal I could get it really close to 3000 rpm to launch. It was my first converter and I had no complaints.


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Re: Choosing a torque converter [Re: B300 VanDanage] #2930519
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Originally Posted by B300 VanDanage
As easy as it is to install a counter balanced flex plate I should be able just to weld a weight onto a specific spot on the converter right? It's not like it needs to be specifically ballance on a machine(that's the neutral balancing right?).

If the scalloped flex plate goes on a certain way then the weight should go on a specific side also? It should be that easy...?
A template comes with the weight kit. I think that's what you're asking.


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Re: Choosing a torque converter [Re: larrymopar360] #2930523
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Originally Posted by larrymopar360
Originally Posted by B300 VanDanage
As easy as it is to install a counter balanced flex plate I should be able just to weld a weight onto a specific spot on the converter right? It's not like it needs to be specifically ballance on a machine(that's the neutral balancing right?).

If the scalloped flex plate goes on a certain way then the weight should go on a specific side also? It should be that easy...?
A template comes with the weight kit. I think that's what you're asking.


I haven't even found the exact weight kit that goes to the 360. What I'm saying is I may not need to buy a weight kit because the previous converter that I still have has the external weight. I'm assuming I'd just be able to cut that one off and weld it to my new one using the old location as a template?

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Re: Choosing a torque converter [Re: BigDaddy440] #2930527
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Originally Posted by BigDaddy440
Originally Posted by B300 VanDanage
Anyone familiar with B&M converters?
I'm really leaning towards the Tork Master 2000...


So here are my options so far:

Pro King cr25l. $89

B&M 10416 Tork Master 2000. $260 plus $100 flex plate

Torco 764HD $177


After looking into it I've found that Torco is actually a really good company and make a quality converter... If this converter bolts to the stock flex plate I think it'll be the one...



I ran a B&M Holeshot 3000 several years ago and it was flawless. Obviously a little more stall than you're looking for. I had a 440/727 combo. My 440 would idle about 900rpm, the converter move the car under regular acceleration about 1200 rpm and behave normally after that. If I mashed the brake pedal from a stop and hit the gas pedal I could get it really close to 3000 rpm to launch. It was my first converter and I had no complaints.


I ended up with the Torco(1800-2100 stall) and only because they said it would bolt up to the stock converter but it doesn't. If I had known I would've gone with the Tork Master 2000 from B&M...

Re: Choosing a torque converter [Re: B300 VanDanage] #2930541
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Originally Posted by B300 VanDanage
Originally Posted by larrymopar360
Originally Posted by B300 VanDanage
As easy as it is to install a counter balanced flex plate I should be able just to weld a weight onto a specific spot on the converter right? It's not like it needs to be specifically ballance on a machine(that's the neutral balancing right?).

If the scalloped flex plate goes on a certain way then the weight should go on a specific side also? It should be that easy...?
A template comes with the weight kit. I think that's what you're asking.


I haven't even found the exact weight kit that goes to the 360. What I'm saying is I may not need to buy a weight kit because the previous converter that I still have has the external weight. I'm assuming I'd just be able to cut that one off and weld it to my new one using the old location as a template?


Carefully measure using the lugs for spacing and positioning and the center of the front cover pilot to the weight and you will be fine.

Re: Choosing a torque converter [Re: A727Tflite] #2930545
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You said it won't bolt up but why? One of the bolts is off center and you need to be sure the flexplate and converter are lined up correctly.

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Originally Posted by stumpy
You said it won't bolt up but why? One of the bolts is off center and you need to be sure the flexplate and converter are lined up correctly.

He is saying won't bolt right up I Assume as he bought a neutral balanced converter for an internal balanced rotating assembly when he should have bought one with weights added for an externaly balanced motor.
As he has a weighted dampener and had a weighted converter prevoiusly since his motor is externaly balanced

The easy fix is the weighted B&M weighted and stronger faceplate as mentioned above.
I my self would go that route as he would void the warranty welding on the converter.
I personally like Dayco for low end stock converters.


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All the early converters had offset lugs. Internally balanced and externally balanced.

They didn’t stop using offset lugs I think until the 90’s.

There are two bolt circle diameters. Large and small.

Re: Choosing a torque converter [Re: 340SIX] #2930644
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I would call them about welding on the weight. If it voids warranty, then have them send you the correct one (if they know what that is). As mentioned, all factory 360's are externally balanced. If they don't know this, I'd shop elsewhere.

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Originally Posted by 340SIX
Originally Posted by stumpy
You said it won't bolt up but why? One of the bolts is off center and you need to be sure the flexplate and converter are lined up correctly.

He is saying won't bolt right up I Assume as he bought a neutral balanced converter for an internal balanced rotating assembly when he should have bought one with weights added for an externaly balanced motor.
As he has a weighted dampener and had a weighted converter prevoiusly since his motor is externaly balanced

The easy fix is the weighted B&M weighted and stronger faceplate as mentioned above.
I my self would go that route as he would void the warranty welding on the converter.
I personally like Dayco for low end stock converters.


Correct.

You make a good point about the warranty...

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